Tom Kaye WILL be at NorCal vs. SoCal AO Day!!!!

[gibby]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy
I don't really know right now...i don't have any gear right now..the only thing I have is a pack and a mask...everything else is gone...

Dude...I will not accept that. Just call that other old man...what's his name? Bad_Knees? I'm sure he'll loan you something good! :)

[DiRTyBuNNy]

nor do i have a ride or a place to stay..

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy
I don't really know right now...i don't have any gear right now..the only thing I have is a pack and a mask...everything else is gone...

???? Did you sell all your markers?

[DiRTyBuNNy]

yes.

[jwren00]

I'm in santa barbara right now, I think I might come up for this. Somebody link me to the thread with all the info on it.

[Z-man]

Originally posted by jwren00
I'm in santa barbara right now, I think I might come up for this. Somebody link me to the thread with all the info on it.

In the Meet and Greet Forum

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113872&perpage=30&pagenumber=1

[shadowfalcon78]

awwww...i dont have any money. what field is it at though?
hope theres another one in march. i should be done with my mag by then and have money to play
could anybody spare a gun and money for a little boy?

[Army]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy
I spoke my peace about the whole situation right here...

http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...15#post1227515

DB, this whole show is being fronted by an AGD dealer in Paso Robles...Breakout Paintball Supply...so whats the problem? Rogue is more than welcome to ply his custom wares at the meet, we would love for him to be there. Heck, Bud Orr and Glen Palmer are invited to come too, why not? We don't want anyone to not come, everyone's invited.

FYI, Potatoboy was coming out here ON HIS OWN DIME at first, then AGD saw that the meet would be bigger than originally thought, so decided to make his trip official. Nothing unusual about that. The fact that Tom just happened to be in northern Calli for that week was pure coincidence, as he was never part of the original plan. Pure luck on our part.

It is also pure luck that I will be between orders, and have 3 days off before I ship out to Iraq. Ain't no way I could have planned that:)

DB, come on up yourself, use my Emag, and have fun with us.

[MrMag]

Originally posted by Army


DB, this whole show is being fronted by an AGD dealer in Paso Robles...Breakout Paintball Supply...so whats the problem? Rogue is more than welcome to ply his custom wares at the meet, we would love for him to be there. Heck, Bud Orr and Glen Palmer are invited to come too, why not? We don't want anyone to not come, everyone's invited.

FYI, Potatoboy was coming out here ON HIS OWN DIME at first, then AGD saw that the meet would be bigger than originally thought, so decided to make his trip official. Nothing unusual about that. The fact that Tom just happened to be in northern Calli for that week was pure coincidence, as he was never part of the original plan. Pure luck on our part.

It is also pure luck that I will be between orders, and have 3 days off before I ship out to Iraq. Ain't no way I could have planned that:)

DB, come on up yourself, use my Emag, and have fun with us.

HERE HERE! stop being such a party pooper

[RoadDawg]

I'm just gonna chime in and say that Rogue can't make it due to bills. However if anyone wants to see or buy anything from him let me know. I'm gonna be pimping his stuff but my ride space is kind of limited so if you want to either see something or buy something LMK and I'll be more then happy to bring it up on Rogue's behalf. Guys if DB doesn't want to go then that's fine. He spoke his mind and that's how as an outsider many people around here see it. Myself was also included. I don't have any problems with tato coming but the undercutting the dealers in a limited market does kind of hurt the area. Anyways I'm looking forward to this and plan on having tons of fun. Glad to hear you can make it once again Army.

[Potatoboy]

Yes, I'm am coming, and It's no secret that I will be bringing AGD product with me.

This is one of the major parts of each AO event.

I will be bringing limited quantities, far less than anyone would bring to an east coast event, and yes, I will be selling it for special event pricing.

Any and all dealers are willing to come out and sell whatever they wish. These are special event limited quantity offers that I will have, and tes, I am expecting to sell out. This is not at all going to be a regular occurance and because of such does not pose any long term threat to any of the local dealers.

I would like to think that if an east coast dealer were coming instead of an AGD rep, and he was still able to "under-cut" pricing, nothing similar would happen, so why the fuss now?

This is something that has not occured at any other AO events.

Why the assumption that I will drastically be undercutting dealers anyway? The pricing for this event has not been shared, and will not be until I am set up and selling product. No one besides myself and AGD even has any idea of what I am even bringing to the event.

As Army stated, I planned on coming out to the event myself (for personal reasons) and saw an opportunity to extend that into an official representation, mostly because I've heard all the cries about AGD ignoring the west coast. Now that some actions are being taken, there are cries of AGD coming to the west coast.

As far as undercutting prices by direct sales, RF has a line of products that are not even available for purchase from AGD, and therefore does not compete with whatever he may have brought.

If anyone has any other concerns about myself coming and having AGD product for direct event purchase, feel free to contact me and we can discuss.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Originally posted by Potatoboy
Yes, I'm am coming, and It's no secret that I will be bringing AGD product with me.

This is one of the major parts of each AO event.

I will be bringing limited quantities, far less than anyone would bring to an east coast event, and yes, I will be selling it for special event pricing.

Any and all dealers are willing to come out and sell whatever they wish. These are special event limited quantity offers that I will have, and tes, I am expecting to sell out. This is not at all going to be a regular occurance and because of such does not pose any long term threat to any of the local dealers.

I would like to think that if an east coast dealer were coming instead of an AGD rep, and he was still able to "under-cut" pricing, nothing similar would happen, so why the fuss now?

This is something that has not occured at any other AO events.

Why the assumption that I will drastically be undercutting dealers anyway? The pricing for this event has not been shared, and will not be until I am set up and selling product. No one besides myself and AGD even has any idea of what I am even bringing to the event.

As Army stated, I planned on coming out to the event myself (for personal reasons) and saw an opportunity to extend that into an official representation, mostly because I've heard all the cries about AGD ignoring the west coast. Now that some actions are being taken, there are cries of AGD coming to the west coast.

As far as undercutting prices by direct sales, RF has a line of products that are not even available for purchase from AGD, and therefore does not compete with whatever he may have brought.

If anyone has any other concerns about myself coming and having AGD product for direct event purchase, feel free to contact me and we can discuss.

no comment.

[Carbon]

Bumpers, please, bring lots of RT bumpers. Thnx!

Originally posted by Potatoboy
Yes, I'm am coming, and It's no secret that I will be bringing AGD product with me.

This is one of the major parts of each AO event.

I will be bringing limited quantities, far less than anyone would bring to an east coast event, and yes, I will be selling it for special event pricing.

Any and all dealers are willing to come out and sell whatever they wish. These are special event limited quantity offers that I will have, and tes, I am expecting to sell out. This is not at all going to be a regular occurance and because of such does not pose any long term threat to any of the local dealers.

I would like to think that if an east coast dealer were coming instead of an AGD rep, and he was still able to "under-cut" pricing, nothing similar would happen, so why the fuss now?

This is something that has not occured at any other AO events.

Why the assumption that I will drastically be undercutting dealers anyway? The pricing for this event has not been shared, and will not be until I am set up and selling product. No one besides myself and AGD even has any idea of what I am even bringing to the event.

As Army stated, I planned on coming out to the event myself (for personal reasons) and saw an opportunity to extend that into an official representation, mostly because I've heard all the cries about AGD ignoring the west coast. Now that some actions are being taken, there are cries of AGD coming to the west coast.

As far as undercutting prices by direct sales, RF has a line of products that are not even available for purchase from AGD, and therefore does not compete with whatever he may have brought.

If anyone has any other concerns about myself coming and having AGD product for direct event purchase, feel free to contact me and we can discuss.

[RoadDawg]

Response to TATO

AGD is coming to a west coast event where no one from the West Coast is represented. If this was an east coast thing I'm sure that Tuna would be the "official" AGD person. I have nothing against tato or AGD. But they ARE undercutting the local dealers (meaning AGD) by selling items at lower then dealer costs. If dealers sell under this costs not only do they loose money but AGD gets upset at them. The fact AGD is coming out is exciting but there are West Coast people that would of been cheaper to "send" then someone from the midwest. BlackVCG or Miscue are closer and still represent AGD. The fact RF isn't going isn't the point. He couldn't go anyway due to bad timing and still recovering from Xmas bills. Much like MOST people are. It's obviuos that people are mis interpreting what is going on here. It has nothing to do with TATO. It has everything to do with the fact that by AGD underselling the Dealers at big events like this hurts the local dealers. People will wait for these events rather then going to the Local guys. For example. Would anyone buy a Xvalve for $300+ from a local dealer or would you wait til an event and buy one for $225? Better yet we all know that it's now foolish to build a custom ule mag piece by piece anymore due to the Custom ULE RT. AGD is hurting there own dealers by doing this. Stuff like this made dealers disappear during the gov't projects.
Also Tato. AGD could buy RF items off of Rogue. They already buy Barrel Socks from him. He's basically added style to the stock AGD rails. If you haven't figured it out yet RF is a AGD Dealer. He pushes AGD stuff more then most people out here. We are speaking our frusterations because we talk and no one seems to listen. We are having this event and it looks like we are getting represented but we aren't. Sure AGD is coming and your selling AGD products. The point is We are having a West Coast event and NO west coast rep could compete with AGD's "event" prices. That is undercutting the Dealers. Either way we are glad to have you and AGD out here. We are just expressing our frusterations as far as WHAT we on the outside see.

[Army]

Road Dawg and Dirty Bunny....name me ONE west coast AGD dealer that has shown absolute enthusiasm about coming out to this event, and repping not only their own products, but AGD stuff too?

Lessee....BREAKOUT PAINTBALL SUPPLY! They are a real AGD dealer, with real AGD items in their shop, and are real close by the event. They are the ONLY paintball shop worth a damn for nearly 200 miles around. They are supplying the airball fields, air, paint, parts, and tech help for....get this....THEIR OWN PRICE! They are LOSING money for this event, just so players can get a good deal, NOT BECAUSE AGD WILL BE THERE. Know what? They are totally jazzed that Tom will be there, and they couldn't care less that an AGD rep will be selling parts.

Are you forgetting me? Before I knew I was getting mobilized, I was the AGD representative for this event. I could have easily requested cases of parts to sell there. This was NEVER an AGD, nor AO sponsored event...still isn't. Would you guys be crying the same tune if I was selling my Emag or MiniMag and all my personal parts below dealer price? I am west coast, and I represent AGD too. I didn't hear any of this while I was at Pan-Am in Las Vegas...another non-AGD event. I didn't hear Jeff from Paintball Daddy complain about it once. In fact, he's only upset that he couldn't come up JUST to be there.

C'mon Bunny, we had this talk at Pan-Am, and all agreed that AGD needed more effort done out here on the west coast. But now that it is really happening, you want to whine about it.
Get over it already. ANYONE IS WELCOME TO COME, DEALER OR NOT, SELLING OR NOT. Besides, do you honestly know what price 'Tato will be selling these parts for? Dealer? Store? Ebay? Yard sale?


This was the brainchild of Zman, who has worked tirelessly to present to the west coast a fun time. I admire his tenacity, efforts, and belief in 'Mag owners in California..HOOAH.

Let's just play some paintball....Automag style:)