nppl cap rule?

[cledford]

Originally posted by DementedRabbit
I wonder if the successes of Mister Drew led to this ruling. What's the idiom? "Poison the well?"

There's a few scenes in Derder's 300fps that make me groan due to the amount of paint and the range involved. I'm surprised nobody has sustained serious injury due to getting shot on the top "vent" part of lenses, or where the foam meets the face on JT Spectra style masks. 14bps is probably the best compromise between speed and safety for now until protection standards are revised.

This would also do strange things to the paintball marker market, since lots of guns can reliably meet that bps limit, where do you go from there?

Since markers cannot get any more accurate due to the nature of the projectile - and since I'm guessing that all can keep up at 14bps, it becomes a fan club decision on which to purchase. That having been said - instead of charging the "cart" because of the "horse" - why not just add another strap to the goggles and be done with it? It seems to me that a 5 cent strap added to the mask is lot easier then banning loaders and stifling marker advancement. It's a very low-tech fix as well - I call that elegant

-Calvin

[Meph]

Quick "solution" (aka band-aid)?

Remove force-feed hoppers. Or any hopper that can be clocked to feed faster than say.... 15bps. (To limit the introduction of the new Apache, obviously! since it ain't force feed, and then we all know BE would embrace how Halo has been saying egg "wasn't a true force feed" and get away with it).

If the hopper can't keep up, they can't shoot that fast. Right?

Exactly.










Oh wait, that's not happening. NPS owns the Halo, BE owns the Egg. They'd never allow that to happen. My bad. Promoters are more about $$$ than anything, so don't expect any actual solution from them.

[DementedRabbit]

Originally posted by cledford

It seems to me that a 5 cent strap added to the mask is lot easier then banning loaders and stifling marker advancement. It's a very low-tech fix as well - I call that elegant

I think I'm seeing those already. A few kids at my local field have the "helmet" mask(paint magnet) or have what looks like JT masks with chinstraps.

That's all fine, but what about those "soft ear" systems where there's a potential for a near-direct shot down someone's ear canal? We've all probably made people double over due to solid groin or throat shots. How many hits can someone actually take to the throat/adam's apple before the windpipe can swell shut?

I own a pretty fast marker(e-cocker) however if I manage to connect 10+ shots due to someone going through my lane wrong, at what point do I actually become legally liable for injuries sustained to another person? What about morally liable?

Maybe the best solution is to ban ANY kind of bare skin. I love playing with and against fast markers, but I don't want to see multiple-shot injuries becoming commonplace. My only agenda is to keep the sport relatively safe for everyone.

14bps sustained is still impressively fast.

[Dayspring]

FYI- NPS does NOT own the Halo. Manike confirmed this, as he works for National.

Originally posted by Meph

Oh wait, that's not happening. NPS owns the Halo, BE owns the Egg. They'd never allow that to happen. My bad. Promoters are more about $$$ than anything, so don't expect any actual solution from them.

[Meph]

So NPS didn't buy out Odyssey?


What are they then, just the official/only distributor? Could've sworn I read about Ody being bought by NPS.


Tell Gino to stock more than 3000 items! Jeez! Guy never has anything in stock, guess that happens when the warehouse is used to store all his 'Toys!'

[Beemer]

no control

HotDog The Movie: To settle this we will have a chinese downhill. WTF is a chinese downhill.[in chinese accent]
First the rules: THERE ARE NO RULES


When E.F.Hutton talks[I mean NPPL]do people listen..anybody remember that commercial?

My only agenda is to keep the sport relatively safe for everyone.

own a pretty fast marker(e-cocker) however if I manage to connect 10+ shots due to someone going through my lane wrong, at what point do I actually become legally liable for injuries sustained to another person? What about morally liable?

How many hits can someone actually take to the throat/adam's apple before the windpipe can swell shut?

An uneducated uninformed consumer is a companies best friend
An uneducated uninformed player is the Games worst nightmare.

For every question I find an answer for I get 2 more unanswered. My list is getting longer not shorter.

Rogue made a comment in one of his threads that the companies were controlling the sport. Thats not true the player does. I was wrong. That can change.

From near as I can tell ANSI ASTM means nothing.
This game is truely on the edge.


WE HAVE TO ORGANIZE TO REGAIN CONTROLL

[Crazy]

Solution if this does **ACTUALLY** happen (which it wont)

PLAY PSP.

[Zumina]

Yes, a cap would be hard to enforce, but a limited paint rule isn't. 400 rnds per player would make a very interesting game.

Why isn't paintball televised? Pro ball is BOOOOOOOOOORING. I'd almost rather watch major league baseball than NPPL 10 man. If you think otherwise, you obviously have highlight footage confused with ACTUAL playing footage.

[Beemer]

Up to the top, for a thread that makes you say "Hmmmm"

Just like the other thread if youre watching

[Garrum]

Now, I wasn't playing back when the ban on full auto and assisted firing modes was introduced, but I have an idea of what the reasons behind the ban were.

1: To reduce the instances of 'overshooting'.

2: To keep the playing field even, so that guys with 'low end' guns (read that as 'costing less than a small house') could still have a chance against those who seek to buy victory through technology.

I would say that both of those goals have been circumvented and defeated. Completely.

Overshooting is now almost considered 'cool'. It is certainly overlooked and ignored by officials.

But more importantly, the ROF issue has gone completely out of control. People are talking about getting 18-20, even 22-25 BPS strings. Long strings. On a consistant basis. Where is the difference in that and full auto?

"I'm doing it manually, with skill, and full auto is just holding a trigger back." I can hear some saying. First off, that isn't a skill. That's just your body's ability to twitch faster than most people. You can hone it, but you can't learn it. And second, you couldn't do that on any legitimate trigger. By legitimate, I mean something that will pass a 3 foot, hard surface drop test, and that doesn't use electronics (with awfully shady programming) to actuate the sear for you. Going by those criteria, the ROF would drop like fecal matter in a deep, cold, cistern.

But of course, realistic ROFs would 'devastate' the paint companies, so I see two possible paths to take.

1: Leave it like it is, and let these bogus 'semi-auto' ROF's keep on climbing, limiting the upper levels of the game to those who drink too much coffee, and those who twitch really good. Pro's: Paint companies stay happy. The twitchers stay happy. The Con's: The non twitchers stay excluded.

2: Reauthorize the use of full auto guns in tournament play. No BPS cap. No ammo limit. The Pro's: Paint companies begin having massive sexual orgies, twenty four hours a day, with their massive influx of income. Non-twitchers get to play on the same ROF footing as the twitchers. The Con's: Everyone finally gets to see that jittery fingers and ridiculous triggers was just about all that separated the pro's and little Johnny with his e-framed, Halo fed Pihranna, and that ROF can make up for almost anything on an airball field.

Of course, I'm being a little over the top. But not by much. Several times, I have played woodsball against people who's only real ability is to hurl a mass of paint very fast. I have had superior position, good cover, and a team mate helping me, all at the same time, and he still got me out by simply saturatng my location with an endless stream of paint. After about five seconds of this, a freak ball curved in behind my cover and broke on me. Was there any skill in that elimination? No, just twitchy digits and freakish luck. Just like a lot of eliminations in Tournaments.

The simple fact is that hosing down a lane or bunker and locking down movement is very effective, but it has no skill involved. And it would not be possible without unrealistic trigger pulls. Bring the triggers back in line, and then we will see who is an *** kicker, who is a mouse clicker.

(For the record, I am NOT an *** kicker.)

[cledford]

Garrum,

Very nice post...

Like the sig also

-Calvin

[hitech]

I agree with pretty much everything in your post, except…

Originally posted by Garrum
And second, you couldn't do that on any legitimate trigger. By legitimate, I mean something that will pass a 3 foot, hard surface drop test, and that doesn't use electronics (with awfully shady programming) to actuate the sear for you.

The trigger in my eMag would pass a three-foot drop and not fire. It doesn’t use any awfully shady programming. I don’t have one of those super light, super short, hair triggers. I can attain 18bps for a second, maybe more.

BTW, I normally don’t exceed 7bps or so in game play. I rarely use any “trigger techniques” to increase ROF. I just pull the trigger. If I really need suppressive fire I currently just fan the trigger a little (I do 10bps fanning). However, I am considering “tuning up” my emag so it will handle 20bps and using the “manike raking technique” in a game. I guess the ROF wars has gotten to me too. I might change my mind if I start overshooting people.