An interesting thought of.... ummmm, well just read

[Brophog]

Originally posted by Digits
Also, I doubt any gun could put 15 balls on top of eachother like that..

But your right, someone will probablly die before people realize this is excessive..

That's the line of thinking that got us in all this trouble to begin with. "No one can shoot past 13 bps, so we won't make any rules to enforce such a thing".


The thing that makes the new markers more dangerous is the fact there is a world of difference between 1 ball hitting you in a sensitive area, and 15 hitting you in a sensitive area.

At a distance, your right it is harder for you to get hit with multiple, accurate shots. In regards to safety though, you have to consider worst case scenarios. Within 10-15 feet, you may not have the reaction time necessary to move if your getting hit with a high number of balls per second. These are the potentially dangerous cases. Obviously, the more balls you can crank out in a second, the more dangerous such a scenario becomes.

[Meph]

Exactly, like inbreed children with arms growing out their bums and only 1 eye. That type of evolution really should die off!


So remember to ban Country Music!




Now then. As for commented earlier about the insurance companies. I'm wondering who is insuring these events and what they feel about the leagues. I doubt they even know anything that's going on, as long as $$ keeps coming in and nobody is thankfully getting hurt big whoop right?

But what happens when somebody does get seriously injured? Will they then step in or continue to ignore? If they do step in will they make the regulations so stiff that the events won't even HAVE insurance? Or at the very least get some cheaper garbage, maybe even just fake it by getting the forms for people to sign but really they are worthless. What's it going to take?


For the seperate divisions, the concept is good and probably the only logical idea available right now. But implementation really is another topic all on it's own. Would there be enough teams to even have everything broken up decently, or would it end up where everybody wants the debounce-on-1 setting equipment and takes their chances at the larger, more promising Grand Prize pot-o-gold at the end of the box of Lucky Charms. Because chances are you can see that happening already, can't ya? Pump division and limited divisions getting the shaft in prizes besides a handshake while the money-making section gets the goodies and kiss the bearded girl.

After a few seasons, or even just one, with low turnout in the brackets would they go back to the old unlimited-everything only division to make it easier on themselves? Look at the Pan AM, they're even unlimited now. No more hopperball, no more pump division. All the paint you can buy they will be happy to supply! So go say hi with your wallet held high and chant Aye-Aye to the paint-sellin guy.


Now here's the real thing.


How much bull will people have to put up with until somebody comes along and makes a real competition to these leagues to give them a run for their money? A new, better national league that actually is "for the People" as the NPPL was supposed to be, but quickly became for the $.

[xXHavokXx]

Hellfire fixes a majority of padding issues

[Brophog]

Now there's nothing wrong with bearded girls.........

[Spaceman613]

I know a few teams that would have loved to play Pan Am limited paint... but we all live in the midwest.

as for the bearded girls? man, theres a dirty joke somewhere there.. but i wont say it

[Wes Janson]

Required: a not-for-profit organization whose purpose is to be a paintball league.

I'm unsure if someone could truly die from any number of bps..it doesn't seem likely. Concussion, sure. Passing out from pain, sure. What is more likely would be a sudden rash of incidents of lens failures due to multiple high-rof, high-fps impacts. Get a half dozen blinded players, and the playing public will clamor for change for fear of being next.

[bjjb99]

Originally posted by shartley

Something along the lines of "the outward-facing surfaces of any padding worn by a player must be made of hard, paintball-breaking, high-impact plastic" would pretty much put a stop to this one. Make all players wear those hard plastic motocross chest protectors that JT makes/made. Sell the things in team colors with logos on 'em.

"Brilliant!"

"Maybe I'll put them in bottles..."

"Brilliant!"

BJJB

[bryceeden]

How many pro players actually want the high rates of fire to stop? I keep seeing these treads about bps being too high, and in my opinion its stupid. I work in the medical field, and the adems apple is alot stronger than most people seem to think. I can 99.9999999999999% garentee that no one is going to die from overshooting as long a chrono rules are even loosly enforced, if they do it wasn't 100% caused by the balls hitting them, but from something like an abnormally weak air way. And Digits is right, how many of you have been hit with even three shots that where right on top of each other? It doesn't happen.

Now as a tourney player I love the high rates of fire. I use an RTpro, and at best shoot about 13bps, but I play front, and love running through 20+bps strings, its alot more fun to me if the other team has fast markers, because it makes me work for my positions.

As a tourney producer which I also do I like the high rates of fire because it brings in alittle money, and don't even kid your self because paintball isn't a high profit industry. Basically it is high entry prices, poor tourneys, or high paint sales. You have to pick one, and I think most players would prefer high paint sales any day, and that takes faster rates of fire.

The BPS count is going to keep rizing, and I for one am glad.

Sorry, I just had to rant somewhere.

[Beemer]

No controll

no control
HotDog The Movie: To settle this we will have a chinese downhill. WTF is a chinese downhill.[in chinese accent]
First the rules: THERE ARE NO RULES


When E.F.Hutton talks[I mean NPPL]do people listen..anybody remember that commercial?





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own a pretty fast marker(e-cocker) however if I manage to connect 10+ shots due to someone going through my lane wrong, at what point do I actually become legally liable for injuries sustained to another person? What about morally liable?
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An uneducated uninformed consumer is a companies best friend
An uneducated uninformed player is the Games worst nightmare.

For every question I find an answer for I get 2 more unanswered. My list is getting longer not shorter.

Rogue made a comment in one of his threads that the companies were controlling the sport. Thats not true the player does. I was wrong. That can change.

From near as I can tell ANSI ASTM means nothing.
This game is truely on the edge.


WE HAVE TO ORGANIZE TO REGAIN CONTROLL


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[DogHouseDan]

[Spaceman613]

"BPS monster" whats he look like? Somehow I invision a cross between Bob Long and a muppet.

ok, Im mental today..... *screams*

[Miltonyz]

What level of injury of death is acceptable before we need to put on a cap. And don't give me zero unless you don't play baseball, football, golf, rec softball, etc. etc.

The problem I see is the limiting based on what "might" happen. We can't protect against every concievable thing that might happen.

I say no more woodsball. It's way to dangerous. To many chances of catching and breaking an ankle on roots, not to mention the possibility of people impaling themselves on trees. But sadly it's going to take a death to ban woodsball.

And last week I saw a kid slide into a tire bunker hard. If he had slid head first, he could have broken his neck. No more sliding or tires I say.

Unlikely yes but probably more likely then I'm gonna catch 15 balls in the neck and die.

[Beemer]

where it starts

As a tourney producer which I also do I like the high rates of fire because it brings in alittle money, and don't even kid your self because paintball isn't a high profit industry. Basically it is high entry prices, poor tourneys, or high paint sales. You have to pick one, and I think most players would prefer high paint sales any day, and that takes faster rates of fire.

The BPS count is going to keep rizing, and I for one am glad

Ya anything that affects your bottom line, huh, screw safty
you are making $$$$$$$$ or you wouldnt be doing it


Sad but true. Also there is only ONE Insurance company near as I can tell.

[Brophog]

I think that's the point we're ultimately asking.

How much is too much?

Is it 14, 20, 30....

And I think you bring up a good point. We do need to be proactive here. Remember the past. Meph brought up a good point about "Well we can't shoot 13 bps anyhow... We need to learn that just because its not happening now, doesnt mean it won't happen in the future. If we could have foreseen people shooting 20 bps back then, I assure you there would have been a bigger push to enforce the 13bps limit that was agreed upon at that time.

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

I say the bps should stop here. Slap a 25-30 bps cap on all guns. Its still insanely fast, but that will ensure no progression. Now, instead of companies concentrating on making a faster gun, they will make guns more reliable and more efficient, and work on lenses that can sustain a 30+bps string. Will it happen? no. But it would be nice. I am seriously getting to the point that I am scared to walk onto the field because guns are getting so fast. I was playing hyperball a few weeks ago with the field sponsored team, and when I'd get shot out, I'd always have at least 5 balls on me, and I am close friends with these guys, but you literally just have to tap the trigger now and you get a nice long string of shots. I admit, I am guilty of it too, and right now it's bad, but when guns get faster, it will be even worse. Mask technology is going nowhere, guns are getting faster, hoppers are faster, people are getting overshot. I don't feel safe getting shot once in the mask, but if i poked my head out and got about 15 in the lens, that might leave a mark. I figure eventually, guns will get so fast, they will either not have any regulators to keep up with them, no hoppers fast enough, or it will simply be limited by the law of physics, because an object can only move so fast. The question is, where is the limit. If they somehow got a hopper to feed 80 balls per second, could they get a gun to do it?