Dead Mans Walk

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

DMW

DMW is legal, so you can do it, but then don't cry when everybody shoots you every time you're walking off the field without the gun high in the air or overshoot you a little because they expect you to play on unless your gogs are dripping with paint. This may be legal unlike playing on, but both give all other players the right to not trust you, think you're a talentless hack who has to use cheap tactics to make a move, and to not trust that when you are walking off the field you are truly out. And if you throw a hissy fit because you do get shot by multiple people while walking out in the open you have no one to blame but yourself.

And whoever was walking in the crowd of people, that's just lame. What, you want people to bonus ball the others unintentionally just because they're trying to get you out?

[MicroMiniMe]

Originally posted by automagfreek
As long as they do not have their hands or gun in the air, I see no problem with it.

At Sam's Big Game, there was a line of people walking off the field hit, and they all had their plugs in and whatnot. I jumped in (still alive) the middle of the line and while holding my unplugged gun down low, I walked out of an explosive firefight and got behind a few guys. Perfectly legal.

So you have any DMW stories that ended in RAMBO?
Hehe, DMW is a little different on a 1 mile square field.

[Arawn]

I don't think anyone is trying to say that a DMW is against any particular tourney rules, but I wholeheartedly agree that it's bad sportsmanship, and therefore a breach of the trust that should/could exist between us.

At the rec. field I sometimes manage, I've put it into the safety speech that it's against our rules.

In a tourney if a person wants to pull one fine, but as stated above, I think it encourages bonus-balling, which does nothing to promote cool heads and good times.


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[Barfly]

DMW is legal, so I don't see why people have to be poor sports and a sly and conniving troll by shooting them in the back when you are on the same team. If you are going to pump your hopper into someone for DMW expect that guy to unload his hopper on you or start beating you down with his marker. If you think DMW is sooo bad talk your field owner into making it illegal and punishable by castration. There is a good way and a bad way to do everything and I think I made it pretty clear.

[teufelhunden]

Originally posted by dansim
bonus ball me and youll get 10 back

Then you go bye bye for the tourney/day and I keep playing.

You'll also lose all respect and I'll have gained a boatload by being the bigger man.

Awesome plan!!

[hitech]

Originally posted by Arawn
In a tourney if a person wants to pull one fine, but as stated above, I think it encourages bonus-balling, which does nothing to promote cool heads and good times.

But it is not the DMW that is at fault; it is the player's egos that are causing the problem.

[Arawn]

Originally posted by hitech


But it is not the DMW that is at fault; it is the player's egos that are causing the problem.

While I'm by no means disagreeing about player egos being a problem, again, I feel that the DMW is bad sportsmanship, and therefore is part of the problem as well.



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[RusskiX]

Originally posted by hitech


But it is not the DMW that is at fault; it is the player's egos that are causing the problem.

While this may true, short of lobotomies, you can't really alter a player's mental capacity.

What you CAN do is modify the rules to prevent the situation in the first place. Hence, moving the deadbox to the same spot as the start box so eliminated players don't walk through the opposing team. Or better yet, eliminate the DMW all together.

Originally posted by Arawn


In a tourney if a person wants to pull one fine, but as stated above, I think it encourages bonus-balling, which does nothing to promote cool heads and good times.

Amen brother!

[hitech]

Where we disagree is that I don’t think the DMW is disrespectful/bad sportsmanship at all. What I think is bad sportsmanship/breaking the rules is not properly signaling your elimination. I think that an easily recognized method of signaling your elimination should be part of the RULES. Failing to do so would be a violation of the rules and punishable by points lose, etc. Forcing your opponent to shoot you after you are eliminated as you exit the field can work in your favor. It can cause the opposing player to expose himself enough to allow your teammate to eliminate him. Properly signaling your elimination should be a rule. That is what needs to be corrected. Once it is, the DMW becomes a non-issue. If you let someone pull it when eliminations must be properly signaled you need to learn to play attention.

[Jack & Coke]

Arawn is correct!

DMW promots overshooting (intentional or accidental), hot tempers, hostile attitudes, disrespective behavior, and poor sportsmanship.

The honor system, which was the foundation of what made paintball games possible, becomes irrelavant by acts like wiping and DMW.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
DMW promotes overshooting (intentional or accidental), hot tempers, hostile attitudes, disrespective behavior, and poor sportsmanship.

I have to disagree. Not signaling your elimination (usually fueled by an excessive ego) is was promotes overshooting, etc… THAT is the core problem. The ability to do a DMW is just a symptom of the problem.

[Crime Dog]

I myself will never pull a DMW. However, technically, it's not cheating. You're just walking out in the open. Just because a player is out in the open walking, doesn't mean they're out. We all know the rules...plug in (or cover on), hand/gun in the air. Technically, it's YOUR bad if you don't take that person out TRYING a DMW.

But it IS "bad form."

Which is why I personally won't pull that one.

And like many here, I WILL make sure you're eliminated if you're walking the field without your gun in the air/plug in.

[Barfly]

I agree with crime that DMW is bad form, but it is legal. If someone doesn't have their plug in or have their hand up or gun up shoot them to be sure they are gone. Like I said before, if DMW is such a problem talk to your Field owner about making it illegal or stop whining about people doing it, becuase you have made no steps to do something about it.

[Smoke]

Originally posted by MicroMiniMe

So you have any DMW stories that ended in RAMBO?
Hehe, DMW is a little different on a 1 mile square field.

What a coincidence, because at last spring's Big Game a guy on my team (nicknamed RAMBO after what he did) faked being on the other team (he hand his armband on, 100% legal and encouraged at Sam's) and ran through their lines and Rambo'd 10 people.

It that what you're thinking of?

[RusskiX]

The problem is not that DMW is legal, its that it promotes other problems. Moving your corporate headquarters to the Bahamas to avoid paying corporate taxes is legal, but certainly not very patriotic or sympathetic.

Most people here have already expressed their willingness to blast anything that moves on the field without a condom. "But its their own fault for not CLEARLY identifying themselves as eliminated." True enough, but in the heat of the moment will that eliminated player think before he reacts to the perceived bonus balls? And at my local field if I shoot some n00b who is slowly meandering off the field with no plug in, etc. the field owner admonishes ME! I'm a regular at my field and have a close relationship with the owner, but in order to promote the sport she doesn't want us to shoot up the new players. And that's the bottom line: extra shots on an unsuspecting target, whether justified or not, do not make for happy players.