Dead Mans Walk

[Wes Janson]

But this is a universally accepted signal that you are out. Once you have done this you are no longer making a dead mans walk per the rules.

To specify, my gun was not over my head or at head level, but it was aimed away from the enemy and at a harmless trajectory.

[UltimatePaintballer]

i want to see a dynasty player or someone do it, while having the game taped, that would be so cool. they would just get up from their bunker(last player of theirs) start walking off, when the other guy comes running for the flag he lights them up

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

i doubt that will happen

[arsonpaintball06]

i've dmw twice........first time i got shot by my own team.......2nd time the other team caught me.......dont think im ganna be doin this much anymore......it hurts

[athomas]

Originally posted by sbpyro
The other team was advancing among the deadmen trying to get back to the staging area. They were using the deadmen as walking bunkers. Now I hesitated before returning fire. But how would you liked to be "bonus balled" cuz your teammate used you as a bunker.

Technically, that is freight training and is an illegal tactic.

I don't like the DMW tactic. It promotes mistrust in a game where we need some honesty. Players consistently hide paint marks to get the extra shot or two in before they declare an elimiation. Players will sometimes wipe if they know nobody saw them get hit. This happens in both tourney and rec play. It happens more in rec play now than ever before. Players often fire more shots just to ensure an honest elimination. The DMW makes us question whether an eliminated player is actually out. Now we have to shoot players that don't walk off the field properly. I don't want to have to shoot every kid that accidently puts his hand down while leaing the field.

I just think it takes away from the integrity of the game.

Tournaments are a little different. There are specific requirements for walking off or declaring eliminated. As an opposing player, you have to be aware of what is happening in the field. A player casually walking up the field can be coming to get you. Tounament players are more prepared to get extra hits if they do not follow procedures when walking off.

[GoatBoy]

The DMW is a pretty pathetic ploy. The last time I saw it used was in a rec game. A couple of hotshot jersey wearing tournament players (not wearing armbands although they were on the armband side) DMW'd down the side of the field (at one point they were technically out of bounds) and wiped out almost all of my team. They chose to employ this tactic against walk-ons and newbies. These are the tactics of ... these kinds of people.

"Only liars and thieves eat grumblecakes, and those people go to prison!"

In a word, it is pathetic. All you tough guys who think it should be perfectly legal seem to gloss over the fact that it works more due to player courtesy/civility and safety rules than "player awareness".

If penalties for overshooting are going to be enforced, then DMW has to go.

If you want to have DMW, then remove penalties for overshooting. Let's see how long this tactic lasts when the safety net is removed.

[Naby]

Some places have rules againsta it:

from Golden Triangle League's rules:

"No faking of any kind. Any player attempting to deceive the opponents by faking an emergency or faking to be out will be eliminated and will be penalized [no dead mans walk"


Besides, I find the tactic simply cheap. You are relying on people's unwilingness to overshoot.

When you play with occasional players, most often than not they don't have the reflex to put their gun over their head while walking off the field. They may put it up at first but when they walk off they often put the gun down. Does that mean I should lit them up, just in case?

I've never been dead_man_walked on but if I ever do, I won't be impressed. I don't think I would beat the crap out of the person or waste my paint litting them up but I will lose my respect them.

It has nothing to do with real tactics like flanking, covering, charging. It's cheating. I, for one, think it's truely PATHETIC.

But that's just my opinion.

[Wes Janson]

If you have no paint, or no air, and have no way of bringing the fight to them other than forcing a surrender...shouldn't you try to do what you can to help your team?

[845]

To many pages to this thread so i am just gonna post my opinion. Its impossible to make a deamans walk illegal then you would have to make getting out of your bunker and walking around illegal.

[nippinout]

It isn't poor sportsmanship to do a DMW.

When a NFL team fakes an extra point to get a 2-point conversion, is that cheating? Hell no. Or when the QB pumps his arm.

Remember how awesome Michael Jordan was with no-look passes and up and unders? How about when you're about to go out of bounds with the ball, and you throw it at the other team's legs just so they had last possesion when it goes out of bounds.

It's all accepted.

[tony3]

Deadmans walks are illegal in Xball

10.3.6. Players that take action which would cause members of the opposing team to reasonably
believe that such players have been eliminated, including but not limited to calling themselves
out or hit, holding the markers in positions above the shoulders, or placing objects in
the barrels of the markers and carrying them in view of members of the opposing teams,
will be eliminated.

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by nippinout
It isn't poor sportsmanship to do a DMW.

When a NFL team fakes an extra point to get a 2-point conversion, is that cheating? Hell no. Or when the QB pumps his arm.

Remember how awesome Michael Jordan was with no-look passes and up and unders? How about when you're about to go out of bounds with the ball, and you throw it at the other team's legs just so they had last possesion when it goes out of bounds.

It's all accepted.

OK, go back and read my response.



You talk about football and make no mention of hitting or penalties or safety... or anything that would have made any sense really.

Here's a football one. Quarterback is on the run. If he slides feet first, the defense can't smack him one. If he decides to go for it on his feet, they get to drill him.

So what exactly do you do when the QB pulls sort of a half-assed sideways slide but not really. As a defender, do you stand there and debate hitting him? As the QB, are you going to cry foul when you get dogpiled by half the defensive line when you execute a slide, or a fake slide attempt?

Someone let me know if they've changed this rule. I'm sure there are other safety related ones that some real football fan could come up with.


2 point conversions and pump faking? Did you seriously think those were good analogies, or were you OMG LOLZ KIDDING ME!!!11?!


I don't follow basketball so I'm not sure of the on the out-of-bounds, in terms of either technicalities or general acceptability. The Jordan stuff is as bad as the 2-point and pump faking argument.

[Wes Janson]

Deadmans walks are illegal in Xball

10.3.6. Players that take action which would cause members of the opposing team to reasonably
believe that such players have been eliminated, including but not limited to calling themselves
out or hit, holding the markers in positions above the shoulders, or placing objects in
the barrels of the markers and carrying them in view of members of the opposing teams,
will be eliminated.

Nothing saying DMW is illegal, they just want to make sure no one confuses obvious signs that a player is out. If I interpret the rules correctly, then a player could still stand up, gun held down at side, head looking down, very dejected-looking, walk right past the enemy, then turn around and hose them. While cheap, it would likely be legal I suspect.

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by Wes Janson

Nothing saying DMW is illegal, they just want to make sure no one confuses obvious signs that a player is out. If I interpret the rules correctly, then a player could still stand up, gun held down at side, head looking down, very dejected-looking, walk right past the enemy, then turn around and hose them. While cheap, it would likely be legal I suspect.

Here, let me repaste the quote with appropriate highlighting:

10.3.6. Players that take action which would cause members of the opposing team to reasonably
believe that such players have been eliminated, including but not limited to calling themselves
out or hit, holding the markers in positions above the shoulders, or placing objects in
the barrels of the markers and carrying them in view of members of the opposing teams,
will be eliminated.

While not explicitly calling it out by name, it appears they left a clause in there which allows for official discretion.

And if you analyze it, there's a bit of catch-22 in it, even if you thought it left some slack for DMW. The better a DMW you pull off, it's presumable that you're doing a better job of causing members to believe that you have been eliminated, and that is, as stated, against the rules. So the better job of DMW'ing you do, the more it is against the rules. It might not be written in crayon, but I think that's how it would play out on the field.


Oh, and as far as your other reply... There are more ways to help your team out when you're out of paint/air than pulling a DMW.