When You Get Hit......

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
It's bending the rules, not breaking them. Kind of like, getting bunkered, and spinning to get him. You KNOW you were hit first, but you turned and hit him in order to get a one for one.

Actually, no.. that's breaking the rules. If he shot you first, then you're out. That's it. By the rules, you shouldn't get the extra time to turn around to shoot him so you can hope for a one for one. If you know you're hit and you're taking that time to shoot back anyway, then that's basically considered playing on.

[raehl]

Well, it depends.

98% of the time, I'll call myself out or stop playing long enough to figure out if it broke or not if I'm not sure. That's the rule for the NCPA, and that's the way we enforce it.

There are those times, however, where I'm going to keep playing until the ref calls me out - HOWEVER - I expect that if I have been playing with a hit that I'll be penalized for it. It's just that if it's 1 on 1 and I get hit somewhere I can't see without stopping play, I'm gonna shoot the other guy and let the refs sort it out. The risk of playing on (and getting the penalty for doing it) is worth it when calling yourself out when you're not hit is going to cost you 76 points.

12 seconds in the game and you're down by 1, foul the other team and hope they blow a free throw. Same deal.

The problem with the sport is in situations like that, most of the time the refs don't do their jobs.

While I think it sucks that people actively cheat, I also think it's silly to expect them to stop "just because". If we want cheating to be severely curbed, we gotta have refs who know what they're doing and are enabled and have the balls to enforce the rules and the penalties.

And that requires a culture change just as much as it requires better training.


- Chris

[raehl]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
They wont penalize you for it, because it's unobvious.

They should - anytime you think you might be hit, that hit is obvious, and it's your responsibility to verify that you're not hit before continuing to play, and it's the ref's responsibility to penalize you if you continue to play with an obvious hit.

Unfortunately not the way it usually happens in a lot of leagues, but definitely the way it should happen.


I shoot you, don't keep playing and act all surprised when the refs send one of your teammates to the deadbox with you.


- Chris

[NJestars#1STUNNNAA!!]

Originally posted by A5 Capo
invite him to your b-day party?

hey NJpaint wanna come to my b-day party next week at the arcade?
a5capo sadly enuff your not invited for 2 reasons
1) you are a poopie head big fat dumb face.
2) the present you would have gotten me would haved sucked.

[A5 Capo]

i hope that was a joke. if not, your captain was able to respond maturally, at least. wtvr, i'll just laugh...

[NJestars#1STUNNNAA!!]

Originally posted by A5 Capo
i hope that was a joke. if not, your captain was able to respond maturally, at least. wtvr, i'll just laugh...

it wasnt, my dad can beat up your dad

[NJPaint]

NOOOO YOU LIE MY MOMMY WOULD BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF YOUR DADDY

[NJestars#1STUNNNAA!!]

Originally posted by NJPaint
NOOOO YOU LIE MY MOMMY WOULD BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF YOUR DADDY

you are no longer invited to my birthday party

[Duke Henry]

I entered "depends" because it depends if it actually breaks.

I don't call myself out on bounces, only if it breaks bigger than the rule-defined size.

If I get hit, I stop advancing, check myself, call a ref, etc.

If I am performing a run through or something similar and I get plastered, I always call myself out - can't quite stop and call for a check!

[f3rr3+]

in a tourney if i cant see it without stoping what im doing i will wait to be called, but in rec ball i usually just call myself out or at least call paintcheck to make it easy on refs...

i never wipe tho

[~WarpedRT#2~]

Originally posted by FallNAngel


Actually, no.. that's breaking the rules. If he shot you first, then you're out. That's it. By the rules, you shouldn't get the extra time to turn around to shoot him so you can hope for a one for one. If you know you're hit and you're taking that time to shoot back anyway, then that's basically considered playing on.

Man, I'm not even going to count how many times I've seen this happen, and they get a one for one, so dont tell me whats illegal and isnt. Generally, when you get bunkered, you get shot in an unobvious place. you can count this as an unobvious hit. You can say you only saw him coming, and shot at him after he passed you, not feeling the shot hit you. That is what the players will say. Just watch any footage of a game, and you will see this happen. They always turn and fire.

[~WarpedRT#2~]

Originally posted by raehl


They should - anytime you think you might be hit, that hit is obvious, and it's your responsibility to verify that you're not hit before continuing to play, and it's the ref's responsibility to penalize you if you continue to play with an obvious hit.

Unfortunately not the way it usually happens in a lot of leagues, but definitely the way it should happen.


I shoot you, don't keep playing and act all surprised when the refs send one of your teammates to the deadbox with you.


- Chris

But what if the hit really was unobvious? I'm sorry that I cannot sence the paint flying from your gun, and I'm sorry I cant read your mind to tell if you hit me or not, but still, if it's a real unobvious hit, then you cant say anything. Put it this way, If i run to bunker you, and someone hits my pack ( I know it hit, but it's in an unobvious place) I'll keep running to bunker you, get it done, and then call myself out. Thats playing by the rule book , an unobvious hit was a hit taht you didnt notice, and therefore isnt illegal. Get it? Like I said before, the refs are watching closely anyway, and will see a hit most of the time.

[TheTramp]

Originally posted by Torbo
i call myself out if its obvious. If i cant tell if it broke i call a ref over to check me. That way you wont accientally call yourself out, but you wont get called for playing on either.

This is exactly what I do.

[raehl]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~


Man, I'm not even going to count how many times I've seen this happen, and they get a one for one, so dont tell me whats illegal and isnt. Generally, when you get bunkered, you get shot in an unobvious place. you can count this as an unobvious hit. You can say you only saw him coming, and shot at him after he passed you, not feeling the shot hit you. That is what the players will say. Just watch any footage of a game, and you will see this happen. They always turn and fire.

That's not the rules, that's bad reffing. If it *REALLY* is unobvious (the only way it's true is if you got shot in the pack), you wouldn't know the guy was there, and you wouldn't turn around at all. On the off chance you get shot in the pack, then somehow see the guy and shoot him, the ref is supposed to pull you and leave that player in. If you get shot ANYWHERE where you can feel it, and you proceed to turn and shoot the other player, that player should stay in, you should be pulled, *AND* one of your teammates should be pulled as a penalty.


- Chris

[~WarpedRT#2~]

You dont seem to get what I'm saying. I've seen it happen so many times. It's a reaction to turn and shoot. You see, you arent sure if it broke at all. You may have been bunkered, and none of the balls break. Why risk it, and call yourself out? If you did such a thing on my team, I'd beat the living crap out of you for not just shooting him back. The point is, when you get bunkered, you might as well jsut turn and shoot him back. you cant get penalized for it. The ref will just pull you and say that he got you first. Are you really willing to chance it, and simply give up? Why not take the chance and turn to get him? The most you can do at that point is get a one for one. The most the ref can do is say that he got you first. It happens in such a short amount of time that he wont call it playing on. It's a reaction.