AGD Defunct???

[trains are bad]

Trigger! TRIGGER!!! I want a crazy *** light trigger pull and none of those stupid curcuit boards. Thats why I can't wait to order my RT Pro with a ULT and see how that sucker feels.

Firearms have mech triggers down in the ounces. Firearm triggers do different things than marker triggers though, especially mags.

[xmetal2001]

Originally posted by trains are bad


Firearms have mech triggers down in the ounces. Firearm triggers do different things than marker triggers though, especially mags.

My Target Rifle's trigger is about 160 grams, and might be considered heavy by some. Free Pistol Triggers are insanely light.

All Mechanical.
The Pull can be made to be as short as you like, although I have it set up as a two-stage trigger.

[Chronobreak]

smile, as of know hes planning on keeping the same basic layout and most if not all compatibilty

[Tunaman]

Originally posted by Lohman446


I am just concerned as to what direction you are going with this, are we no longer going to be the durability and the depedability that so many of us have come to trust in AGD? Are we designing to the hype of the shocker? Then, after all of this, I have to add. It is your company, your money, do whatever you see appropriate with it, even if we don't like it. I just hope, that what yuo feel like, is designing a gun with hi tech science in mind, rather than the hype of magic elves.

Are you kidding? Do you really think that AGD would build a piece of crap? Not a chance in hell! TK KNOWS how to build a marker...there are just so many of us that all want different things. You can't please all of the people all of the time. Whatever the Man has up his sleeve right now, you can surely bet that is it gonna be sweet, and have PLENTY of FACTUAL HYPE to back it up! Go man go... :o

[coolcatpete]

Originally posted by Tunaman
Are you kidding? Do you really think that AGD would build a piece of crap? Not a chance in hell! TK KNOWS how to build a marker...there are just so many of us that all want different things. You can't please all of the people all of the time. Whatever the Man has up his sleeve right now, you can surely bet that is it gonna be sweet, and have PLENTY of FACTUAL HYPE to back it up! Go man go... :o

Without a dought tuna is right TK knows what he is doing. It is all about trust, you don't commit to something and then back out. So just dont back out "see how far the rabbit hole goes"(I love quoting movies)
Pete

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by WARPED1
They'll be out of business fairly soon, no official word. But with no longer producing the E/X Mags.

I doubt it.

You do know that Tom does a large business with Police Depts, US Military, and Hollywood (Special Effects Companies).

Look up "Perfect Circle Paintballs". That is another of Tom's companies.

[mtbkrextrm]

Hmmmm Damn I started this thread I just got back from PAN Am Las Vegas lots of rookies playin mech cockers and all others playin electros its funny to watch them during play always swabbing, trying to clean the "eyes" running low on battery power, I am active Duty USAF and we talk more and more about which gun is better. There are those with vikings upgrading them, angels upgrading them, timmys upgrading them, they all ***** about timing on the cockers, bent rods, shoot down, the list goes on and on Dont get me wrong those other guns are awesome BUT for them It really comes down to the "BLING" AHH the joys of Americas Youth. its just like everything in America "got to have them new Nike's, the clubs that Tiger uses,the latest and greatest OAKLEY'S the Bike that LANCE rides, the H2 HUMMER (yeah I want one) (and yeah its not all that) I am hardcore about reliability and own scuba tank and 68/3000 and a 68/4500 HPA. Even with my age (38) and my big *** I still enjoy the times I get to compete and usually on the winning team and even enjoy that occasional "kill" on the breakout or the longball shot from the back right bunker. oh yeah I can rip fast enough to stay in the game with my ULE Custom (all black no BLING)12-14 BPS is fast as most anyhow and the balls are on target not all over the place. anyhow my rant is over [

[Smokee_2_7]

ya know, ive been with mags since about '95. I bought my first one when they were THE tournanment marker, and have owned and used one (I admit, along with other markers) since then. I've seen the rep go from great to bad to worse, and then back up again.

In the past year, I would say that the overall public opinion of the automag has made a dramatic increase. People are using them more often. Level 10 was a huge help in that matter. What one has to remember, it takes a long time for a bad reputation to be overcome. Currently, I see more AGD markers on my field than i've ever seen in the past. I see much, MUCH less flaming towards AGD guns on the net- - when compared to a year and a half ago.

more and more People are starting to recgonize the RT ULE as the 'best' mechanical marker out there.



Tom, as far as your question about 'is it the electronics or the trigger?'- -- The trigger. I also feel that I know where that particular question came from. My answer is yes- - - build it. Built it as soon as you can. Release it with as much marketing magic and advertising as you possibly can.

All I know is that I WANT what i saw and shot in orlando this past october. I know that several non-AGD supporters and even some 'mag-haters' were jaw-droppingly impressed. I know some personally that still talk to this day about how they would LOVE to own a 'mag that shot like that.

Simply put, it was AMAZING. when i can pick up a gun and walk the trigger at 16 or so bps without really trying. . . with NO trigger bounce, no significant weight to the marker, and most importantly NO batteries or electronics to fail: im sold. Actually, i asked how much, and when one would be available for sale. When i found out that it wouldnt be anytime soon, i said 'the heck with it' and bought a matrix to mess around with - -- in addition to my X-mag.



anyway, enough from me for now. Please, PLEASE tweak and release this product- - a mechanical gun that literally feels like an electro trigger. That, combined with the looks of somthing like the Tac-one will change the answer of question number 2 to a resounding 'yes'. If you make it reliable enough and market it well enough, it will change the answer to question 1 to a YES as well.


Carl

[barrel break]

well, trigger and ACE, its interesting...

[Barfly]

Originally posted by AGD
Admitedly electros are the rage right now for the fire power, but ask yourself, is it the electronics or the resulting trigger that you really want?

AGD

definately the trigger. Like I have said before, if AGD built a mech marker I could easily walk or fan without getting tired 13bps I would be all over that like flies on stink. Electronics are only good for high ROF and cheating. Also I don't care about ACE as long as halos and LX exist.

[cdawg]

Here is what is going to happen.

I don't know AGD's timeframe, but I can read between the lines.

Mr. Kaye is coming out with a mech marker with the pull of an electro built to the technologically superior standards of an Automag.

My only advice is this, Mr. Kaye: don't waste any more time with minor "trigger-enhancers" such as the ULT and the RT Valve. I see people posting that they can shoot 13 bps with their RT. At the chrono with your awkward finger configurations, congratulations. But when you have one hand stabilizing your body against the ground on the snake and you have to rip with the other single hand on the marker, good luck.

Bring us the superlight-mech.

[bushjumper]

Originally posted by AGD
Ask yourself these two questions (like I did).

1. Can the Emag or Xmag as it is today gain market share against Timmys, Shockers and DM4's? yes/no

2. Can AGD's mechanical guns gain market share against Tippmans products in the rec market? yes/no

AGD

1) The Xmag COULD, if it was available in a greater quantity and wasn't on the verge of being discontinued. The Xmag is the first 'mag that has what the people who buy Timmys, Shockers, and DM4's want. Drop the price a few bucks and make a bunch more of them and they could easily gain market share. I'd probably discontinue the emag though.

2) I doubt it. They would need both a) a lower price tag, and b) better functionality with CO2.

The interesting thing is that I own an upgraded mini-mag now, and was looking to maybe get an xmag and use the mini as my woods gun. now i'll probably just keep the mini as the main and pick up an tippman A-5 for the woods gun.

[tg ur 1t]

it was brought to my attention, at Mardi Gras that the weather was terrible, and if you went in to a bunker and didn't hold your marker above your head it wasn't going to work when you came out the other side. You can see from this example that mech's have some advantages over electronics... other advantages deal with batteries, weight, something else to break, etc... and the K.I.S.S. theory seems to come to mind. I have my E-mag and I can't tell the president of AGD what to do... so I will enjoy my E-mag and just see what happens.

[Arturus]

Don't post here as often, mainly due to work and school... but... My first marker was a mag and so will the next one be in my collection. If you check the history of my posts, I don't have a particular dislike for other markers. In fact if I had the cash to spare I'd love to have a Timmy, along with a cocker in my collection. The reason I stick with AGD simply comes down to their customer service and the first-hand experience in knowing that they truly do care about their customer base.

Doubt my single post means much, but there you go for what it's worth.

[phantomhitman]

it is always entertaining wathing a thread like this, i leran so much. i also figured somebody would say agd is dying as soon as tk said they are discountinuing some parts. i cant wait to see whats next out of the door at agd.

on a side note, coolhand could resurect the mags also with one design