AGD Defunct???

**shartley** · 03-01-2004, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Gadget
I think they must be profitable, or they wouldn't have made them in the first place (although I doubt they make much money per marker).

The thing is, although they're selling at the moment, they're not exactly going like hot cakes - and in 6 months time will they sell at all?

There's no guarantee of their continuing saleability.

If it were your money, would you take the risk on spending a big bundle of money to restock the inventory and continue production when:

a) Sales might die out completely at any time, leaving you with $100,000 of inventory which you can only sell one part at a time as spares.

and

b) Continuing to market an electronic marker might leave you open to legal action.

If it were my money I'd be doing exactly what Tom has done. Retire some product lines (particuarly ones that could present a future legal problem), focus on doing a few products well, be careful with my money and look into R&D for future products.

It's the safe route and the one most likely to keep AGD in business in the long term.

**fallout11** · 03-01-2004, 02:12 PM

Tom DID NOT say they WOULD be developing a new electronic marker:

Originally posted by AGD
...If the industry issues come under control we will get going on another e-gun. AGD

Translation: IF AND WHEN things get settled, we will think about it.
Sorry to dash your hopes.

**shartley** · 03-01-2004, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by fallout11
Tom DID NOT say they WOULD be developing a new electronic marker:

Translation: IF AND WHEN things get settled, we will think about it.
Sorry to dash your hopes.

How about this?

"We will work slowly on a new concept that will eliminate the large battery and charger, incorporate the ULT trigger system and completely new electronics. We don't expect to introduce this marker until 2005 if it makes sense to do so. "

This does not sound like they are stopping their development at all. It also says they don't expect to introduce this marker until 2005 if it makes sense to do so. So what? Are they going to not do ANYTHING until 2005 and then RUSH to develop and produce a new marker?

WOW AGD really ARE GODS!

**fallout11** · 03-01-2004, 02:32 PM

Tom's own words, not mine, Shartley.

Sounds like mixed signals.
My quote is more recent (2-29-04) than the one you list (2-27-04).
Perhaps Mr. Kaye changed his mind?

Or more likely, taking a wait and see approach.

**PissedGodzilla** · 03-01-2004, 03:34 PM

I just have a simple question. I know that when it comes to TK and the sport, it's not all about profit. Just take how he never patented HPA, he did it for the good of the game, which is more than I can say for SP.

My question is, the Xmag HAS to be making a profit, IT's STILL ON BACKORDER!! what reason, other than AGD not getting caught up with SP would their be to really stop production of a highend marker that still has more demand than supply?

please don't flame me I really would like t know an answer to this one!

**shartley** · 03-01-2004, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by fallout11
Tom's own words, not mine, Shartley.

Sounds like mixed signals.
My quote is more recent (2-29-04) than the one you list (2-27-04).
Perhaps Mr. Kaye changed his mind?

Or more likely, taking a wait and see approach.

Originally posted by PissedGodzilla
I just have a simple question. I know that when it comes to TK and the sport, it's not all about profit. Just take how he never patented HPA, he did it for the good of the game, which is more than I can say for SP.

My question is, the Xmag HAS to be making a profit, IT's STILL ON BACKORDER!! what reason, other than AGD not getting caught up with SP would their be to really stop production of a highend marker that still has more demand than supply?

please don't flame me I really would like t know an answer to this one!

No reason to flame.

How about this? Just because a product is on back order does not mean it is making a profit. All a backorder means is that they have not been able to produce enough markers to fill the orders made. And when supply is SO low, and SO slow, it is not an indication that demand is really that great... just greater than supply.

OR you could think about it this way. Why on earth would they be taking so long filling the orders if there was not some sort of issue involved? And that issue has nothing to do with SP, but the production process and the cost involved for AGD. AGDE even stated that.

So no, just because an item is on backorder it does not mean they are making a profit off of it. It just means they allowed more orders than they have been able to fill. And there is a difference between those two things. Also keep in mind that the number of orders do not indicate profit either. They very well could get orders all day long, yet determine that the cost to fill them is not worth it. And I think THAT is part of the issue as well.

And again, that too has nothing to do with SP.

**Brophog** · 03-01-2004, 05:44 PM

I'm thinking we need to have an AO business class......

**Enigma4you** · 03-01-2004, 09:47 PM

Whatever...

Im stillnew to this sport, 2 years playing. I know a few things but anyone that knows me will also tell you that Iwill bug you to death asking stupid questions, Just ask Tuna who im sure regrets ever giving me his contact info, or Jon at AGD.

So this is my stupid question for today. If Mags have a bad name why is it that they are the second best selling gun at our store? Its true that they dont sell to the new player who wants all the bells and whistles but those same people come in a few moths later and ask if we have any Mags. 3 or 4 times a week I get what I have come to call a Mag in a bag. I put it together for the customer fix anything that needs fixing and out the door it goes.

Whats the reason we sell more used mags than new ones? Price! we all know that a used mag is as good as a new one,a few bucks for some orings and abit of time setting thing up right and a 5 year old gun is as good as new.

So I thank Tom for making a product that works. I have all t he faith in the world in AGD and in any product that they come out with. I was very fortunate, I got to meet and talk with Tom for a few minutes at AOSE2 in those few minutes I saw a person who is very proud of what he made. I also saw a personwhodid not stop at one great thing but has constantly produced great things and has ideas for even greater things.

Tom and the others at AGD have had a huge part to play in making paintball what it is, In many ways these guys have set the standard for the other companys to follow and they keep setting the standard higher.

I shoot a Mag by Choice, no one forced me to. I had to sell my Mag not to long ago, I played CFOA last weekend with CPhilips Son, my biggest worry was not if we were going to win or loose but where I could get a Mag to shoot.

Tom, Good luck in whatever you come out with, I know from your past products that whatever the future holds in new products from AGD will make the paintball world pause and take notice.

**Paintcheck200** · 03-04-2004, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by shartley

Lets Not forget that was just my opinion. I know many others who feel the same way about AGD wether it is right or wrong is not really not even relevent. For any company to be successful they need to reflect a good image. This does not mean just to existing customers, but all potential customers as a whole. Maybe I'm wrong and hope I am, maybe AGD has something massive up their sleve.

As far as being unclear about its mission, I went to their site www.airgun.com and their only thing close to a mission statement that I could find was here http://www.airgun.com/about.shtml

Wow em I impressed.

I've been away from these forums for a while, so maybe I'm missing out on a lot of info or something, but like I said - just an opinion.

GT · 03-04-2004, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by cphilip
These are people that have owned them all. People willing to admit its not the electronics that make them shoot faster. Nor the need to shoot fast that makes them good players. I can see a trend from a percentage of older more experienced players to that end.

I have owned everything! by far my favorite trouble free gun(s) are my mag(s). My big debate right now is to purchase the remaining x mag or build a custom RTP. I maynot be able to bounce 20 bps( put the bs aside guys you know there is no way you actually walk 20bps) with a mech, but I sure as hell can get an easy 12-15. all I need is 1/8 of a second to snap out of a bunker and our timmy/trix/puls/shocker toting "laner" has paint driping from his goggles...

**NoForts4Me** · 03-04-2004, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by gtrsi
put the bs aside guys you know there is no way you actually walk 20bps

EGAD! LIES! Don't tell people that...you know some of the Pros and players on the message boards can pull 30+. Some players can also hit a 12"x12" target at 100 yards 20 out of 20. Don't pass on unfounded myths like that!

**f3rr3+** · 03-04-2004, 04:22 PM

thats so five minutes ago we all know that agd is going to start making intergalactic travel devices that can fit in your breast pocket

**Wrathchild** · 03-12-2004, 02:21 PM

If you want to gossip, take your sorry asses back to PBN. I dont even want to bother with you imbeciles. Why would Tom Kaye put himself out of buisiness? Obviously he has something up his sleeve, so until then dont post anymore... And for those of you with no faith in AGD, please do us loyal people a favor and either jump off of a large bridge or go to pbn.

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