Bounces (not trigger) getting out of hand

[Smoke]

Originally posted by Sniper king
I don't care about the bounceing and all that I care about comfort and style. Its not allways about the bounch In fact some of the old DYE jersey (I think the 03's) had so much padding, 9/10 hits bounced and were automaticly made turny Illegle because of it.

No, the Dye '03's don't have that much padding on them.

[DementedRabbit]

-Hit a guy 20+ times from the 50 to the back on his exposed shoulder over several seconds. Big fat guy, small dirt mound. No breaks against the shoulder part of his DYE jersey. After I finally got a break be became indignant and complained to the ref. He got laughed at.

-Seen a lot of sweatshirt-under-jersey stuff. Corny corny corny.

-NO DOWN JACKETS ON THE FIELD. PLEASE.



That being said I own a pair of DYE elbow pads which don't deflect paint. They aren't too good as pads either. My Flex 7 does a great job of putting welts on my jaw and doesn't deflect paint.

[GoatBoy]

Originally posted by Chojin Man


I dont think that the extra weight of baggy clothes is that noticeable or uncomfortable for that matter.

Well, your mileage will vary. What's your playing style? Run much? Fast? Play front? Sweat much? How many games do you get in when you go play? Do you play every game, or do you play a set and then sit out to take a breather before going back in? I notice you're in Texas. Play often in full-bore Texas heat? How about a really nice, humid day? Rain?

I guess it's not fair to ask these questions if I don't answer them myself. I run around quite a bit; I'm not fast, although people think I'm fast on the field. When I go out and play, I try to play every game possible. So I'll go out and play a set, come back for air and paint, then go right back out. I do this for 4-5 hours straight typically. That's one thing I've noticed about the jerseys and the baggy pants... They spend a lot of time sitting around shooting the breeze or whatever. I can't tell if it's because they're tired, or they're just trying to save paint. But I do notice this at every field that I visit. Oh, and I love playing in the heat. I feel weird if I don't break a sweat while exercising. I have no problem playing in the rain; I just don't like stepping into my car all muddied up.

I'm wearing some cargo pants right now. I love 'em. Nice and baggy, real comfy. I wouldn't play paintball in 'em though.

DementedRabbit: so... you eventually did take the guy out. Score: DementedRabbit 1, PaddedFatGuy 0. Somehow I think your anecdote perfectly supports my argument. The guy was fat; he wasn't going anywhere, and he's probably no stranger to getting shot so he buys the padded clothing. You hit him once, and then you hit him 19 more times.


As far as the whole cheating thing goes, that's fine, and I guess to an extent it's cheating. But I think in the grand scheme of things, this padding/baggy clothing thing is way, way overrated and over-scrutinized. Anything can happen on the field; you can get bounces off unpadded, fit players, you can break paint on a soft air bunker from the full length of the field, you can break paint on presumably soft clothing, you can have paint hit you so hard through padded clothing as to cause a massive lump on your head while still not breaking. There are experiences that go in both directions as far as the supposed effectiveness of padded/baggy clothing.

In the end, I'm more concerned about other things, like shooting hot guns, players going out of bounds and coming back, barrel plugs, playing on, field conditions, friendly fire, etc. etc. etc.

[Brophog]

I think those things are more important as well, but this was the topic that was brought up......

And when you say you buy a certain overly expensive brand of paintball pants to "help your game", red lights go off!

[Crazy]

i'm a cheater.

[No sKiLLz]

I don't get it. Just use brittle paint. Set it out for a couple of weeks in a warm place before you play and it doesn't matter what the other guy is wearing.

The guys I play with, myself included, use the Redz neuroprene (however you spell it) elbow pads. The fact that paint bounces off of them forces us to get a clean hit and be able to do it more than once. I think padding (in moderation) does away with the frustrating BS random hits and forces you to get a real shot on someone.

[Chris42050]

Dont know what the big deal is here. I almost always get kills on peoples masks cause thats all you get to see. Its only when people are changing bunkers do you get a chance to shoot their body.

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by Chris42050
Dont know what the big deal is here. I almost always get kills on peoples masks cause thats all you get to see. Its only when people are changing bunkers do you get a chance to shoot their body.

You're not a very aggressive player, are you?

[trains are bad]

I wear baggy pants that fit over my kneepads and don't bind-this so far is oversize army surplus pants, or shorts (yes shorts) in the summer. On the top I wear whatever doesn't restrict and fits the weather--I will play in a tshirt or even no shirt.

[Lohman446]

Originally posted by Brophog


And when you say you buy a certain overly expensive brand of paintball pants to "help your game", red lights go off!

When I admit thats why I buy them and pay the price, or when I do buy them. Theres a difference, I do these things, and I am fully honest with myself about why I do them. Did I buy Dye to wear Dye, no I bought them because there was a justification to them costing more. Are they drastically expensive, sure don't kid yourself $100 for a pair of pants is ridiculous, but so is the expense of any hobby out there.

And BS flag, I guarentee you that pants and jerseys bounce more paint than my jeans and t-shirt, not directed to the quote, but those of you that deny that and then wear jerseys and pants need to be honest with yourself.

As far as speed, weight issues - hmm, probably easier to move, slide in than my jeans. There is not a negative there to them.

The problem is, as I discussed earlier, NPPL needs to get a handle on the rules, wording and enforcement. I have played with people in goose down jackets, breaks are hard to come by and this is ridiculous. I am not overly happy that jerseys are pushing the limits, but they are. Compare this to Nascar, we need to draw the lines where everyone knows where they are, and let everyone who chooses to play to those lines. Yeh, equipment will mean very very little because all our equipment is going to be made to those lines, and perform, at least in practical function, the same. This is the expensive way of getting back to pump play.

I think Brophog and I may seek the same end in reality, though with radically different methods. I would like to think I have that high of ideals. Pump play brings skill back, player skill is important. So does a game where we have all got equipment that does the same thing, different games yes, but in the end the offsetting factor between who wins and who looses is skill (or luck). I would like to play in a series where everyone is playing equal equipment (in function). I choose to do this by playing at the high end of functionable use. Am I arrogant to do so, sure, but someone with good skills and a cheap marker will still overcome all the equipment I can bring if I do not have the skill to back it up. My equipment though, can overcome a slight skill disadvantage, if I can get my skills high enough. If that equipment advantage is gone because everyone has the same high end equipment, skill (and luck) become the deciding factors.

BTW, yes I think "bouncey" clothing is getting out of hand, yes I think NPPL rules need to be reigned in, reworded and enforced. And I think that this discussion has brought me to the realization of where the major flaw in this is, yes the players push the rules, but NPPL (and others) needs to enforce them. We are not in a position were we are discussing blatant cheating (wiping), but pushing of the rules, if the rules did not allow this clothing, I would not wear it. There are many others in the same position.

[Chris42050]

Actually I do play aggresive No skillz. Im just a good shot. Dont need to see the whole body to get a kill. Just need a mask peaking out to shoot at. Mask shots almost always break.

Hey No skills u live right by me. You ever played at S.C. Village?

[Brophog]

I think Brophog and I may seek the same end in reality, though with radically different methods.

Its kind of interesting, that we have the same viewpoint, but with a drastic difference. Its not our methods that are different, its our actions. I think we both are in firm agreeance that the lack of a real oversight organization in paintball has led to far too many gray areas. The rules have not really changed in an awful long time, yet the equipment has drastically changed. The money in the sport has skyrocketed, yet we're still acting like this is a junior high basketball game, and we're bringing in volunteer refs.

If we want to be bigtime, like many of you claim, then we must act big time. You all want the same treatment as "real sports" with the TV and promotion that goes along with it. Well, those sports have definitive rules, definitive officials, and organizations that are willing to separate themselves by the sponsors that own them. We get mad when we see them act with less integrity than necessary. You should do the same when it comes to paintball.

Its the hypocrisy that I'm mostly after here, not so much the fairness. If we eliminate the hypocrisy, we will in turn create the fairness that your after. Do some of you realize just how much this industry in inter-married. Players who own companies, who pay for the series, who in turn pays the players. Too many people have a vested interest in this sport to honestly evaluate the way it is played.

Its like the 1920's with cops and politicians being bribed. That's the logic all of you use whenever you say things like "the paint companies would never go for it", "Dye would never go for it". Yeah, you all see that the wrong things are happening because certain industry players are playing both sides of the fence, and making money on it. You must separate the people running the event from making money on the event. Imagine if the NFL Commissioner (Paul Tagliabue) made more money if the 49ers won. Say a lot more money. When these things happen in other sports, your appalled, yet your letting it happen in this one.

Stop pretending folks. There are people in this sport who care less about anything BUT money. They don't care about you winning or losing, of if the game was fair. Your attitudes are supporting this cause. I don't care if my well sized, unpadded clothing gets me eliminated. It sure beats being one of the "mainstream" cheaters like most of you.

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by Chris42050
Actually I do play aggresive No skillz. Im just a good shot. Dont need to see the whole body to get a kill. Just need a mask peaking out to shoot at. Mask shots almost always break.

Hey No skills u live right by me. You ever played at S.C. Village?

Almost every weekend. This month I'm going to the events though, so I may go next weekend or the last weekend of March.

Speedball is a game of angles. Getting a good angle on someone is forcing them to either expose body parts or hump their bunker. You can't call yourself aggressive and not be used to blindsiding someone from the snake or running the tape.

[Chris42050]

No Skillz You are right about speedball bein about angles. When you angle someone in speedball your usually pretty close so the paintball will break on them. Its the farther shots that you have to worry about breakin and those are the ones I hit peoples masks with. So padded clothing for me is not a big complaint (at least right now).

I am probably goin to S.C. this weekend with some friends. Whats your main marker u use?

[Brophog]

You guys are forgetting about the all important break. Eliminating opponents before the game has essentially begun is a big part of speedball.

That's the biggest area of clothing cheating as well.