Bounces (not trigger) getting out of hand

[Lohman446]

Originally posted by Brophog
You guys are forgetting about the all important break. Eliminating opponents before the game has essentially begun is a big part of speedball.

That's the biggest area of clothing cheating as well.

Right there... I don't expect clothing to save me all the time, but when I take a bounce on a run towards center it has changed the whole dynamics of the game. I play front (in three and five man), so imagine a situation where I am hit on a break to the fifty - lets say its a three man game.

Option A) The ball breaks, my midplayer is forced to not make his first move and ends up in one of the back stand-ups, my back player is in the other, they are now forced to cross the field to keep the other team from advancing hard in a battle they will likely loose. This has freed up the middle of the field and the flag pull is easy for the other team.

Option B) The ball bounces off my C4 pants, or "bounce visor" on the profiler. I slide into the fifty and am a few feet from the flag. My midplayer is able to move up at this point, and with good cover take one of the snakes. The other team now has to contend with me snapping or even covering from teh fifty as he moves up the snake to get those angles. I can basically keep the other team out of each snake from my position, and have become more of a holder than an advancer as my midplayer likely passes me to take out their team.

Now, tell me again why I have bouncey stuff?

Again, is it legal, sure, barely. Do I feel I have done anythign wrong... not really (arguable). Is Brophog right that NPPL rules and oversight have gotten out of hand, definetely. I will attest to my adding to the problem, but where I disagree with some, the fix is not eliminating my attitude, but making certan the rules are known, and enforced.

[Wes Janson]

What pisses me off is seeing someone take round after round from a superior marksman, hits so hard that you can hear them curse and jump each time from across the field, but yet they never break. I've watched a player in jersey and paintball pants fight singlehandedly against almost a half dozen other players, and take at least a dozen bounces. Because he didn't feel the need to protect himself, he was able to just sit in the open lighting up anyone returning fire, and absorbing the hits that came his way. I never found out if someone finally gogged him or not, but that's damned near the only way to take someone like that out.


Tell me how that's fair to the other players.

[Lohman446]

Its not fair... simple answer. However, show me a tournament where 90% of the people are not using equipment specifically made for bounces - perhaps they have not bought the best out there, or most expensive because maybe what I have is not the best, but they are seeking the same thing.

For the record, on rec days aside from the marker setup the tournament equipment I use are my ATC shoes, and the Dye tank covers, but the tank covers are a safety issue and have nothing to do with bounce. I dont think I have ever bounced off of one. And often enough my e-mag can be traded out for my phantom.

[Chris42050]

I think everyone pretty much agrees on this subject.
Are the clothes legal cheating ? Yes
Are people going to take advantage of that? Yes
Do the rules need to be changed? Yes
Can they be changed in a way that will work? That is the real question we should be discussing. I dont know if they can change the rules good enough to really solve the problem.

[Meph]

If that's the case then shouldn't there be a standard weight limit in paintball Broph? I mean shouldn't fat people be considered cheating, due to their plump soft guts causing bounces? The tanker tush thunder thigh massive assive weight issue they have as well is making paint bounce off them, not just clothing. Shouldn't those people also be punished since it goes against the game's intent. They have that advantage over the skinny people. Those damn fat people are hypocrits!

[Meph]

Originally posted by Wes Janson

Tell me how that's fair to the other players.

You have to realize it isn't always the clothes. Have people already forgotten about how paint can suck? Not all paint at the events is Ultra Evil, people!

I've had bounces on my back at events from 35feet away. And I don't know of any jersey with back padding! It's not because of my special evil-doer cheater clothing! It's because the paint sucked at the event.

Clothing seems to becoming the scapegoat now to paint bouncing off people. Low velocity, long distance, and thick shelled paint still play a factor in todays world of paintball.

[Wes Janson]

I think it's far more likely that was a result of low velocity than bad paint. And in the example I cited, the paint [b]was[b] horrible, but not in that way...it was, if anything, far too brittle. The only guns not consistantly breaking paint were mags.

If that's the case then shouldn't there be a standard weight limit in paintball Broph? I mean shouldn't fat people be considered cheating, due to their plump soft guts causing bounces? The tanker tush thunder thigh massive assive weight issue they have as well is making paint bounce off them, not just clothing. Shouldn't those people also be punished since it goes against the game's intent. They have that advantage over the skinny people. Those damn fat people are hypocrits!

I dunno what your experience has been with overweight players, but from what I've seen, they make larger targets, and the fatty parts are just as likely to break as anything else. You may see more bounces, if only because more shots are actually making contact. I think of them as being paint magnets.

[badinfo]

Originally posted by Chris42050
I think everyone pretty much agrees on this subject.
Are the clothes legal cheating ? Yes
Are people going to take advantage of that? Yes
Do the rules need to be changed? Yes
Can they be changed in a way that will work? That is the real question we should be discussing. I dont know if they can change the rules good enough to really solve the problem.

Legal cheating?

[Crazy]

are you going to ban fat people now?

[Chris42050]

Originally posted by badinfo


Legal cheating?

Dont pretend your too stupid to know what I mean.

[steveo356]

this is dumb clothings for looks

I got my Dye c4 pants and a brand new dye jersey for looks and the fact that i loce the look on newbie faces when i walk out with my Rt pro sporting matching dye jersey pants and invision. sorry but i play with a teeshirt undermy jersy mostly cuz i dun like the silky feeling on my skin im used to cotton

[Big_Chops]

yea its cheating but its no illegal so i could care less. as i type now i am wearing my baggy dye pants. they are soo comfortable

[Crazy]

To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.

um, it's not cheating if it isn't illegal.

[FallNAngel]

Legal cheating:
- To "play the grey area"
- Playing in such a way that it's unclear whether you're playing legally or illegally
- Doing something that's questionably illegal

at least that's what I take it as.

[trains are bad]

But not

"Doing something person X thinks SHOULD be illegal, but isn't"