Time to hit Tippmans

[teufelhunden]

dswab-- the RT makes your Tippy illegal, so why mention it? It'll go fast... but in your backyard. Kinda a meh issue right there.

Thing with the 3.2 E-Mag vs my 'Cocker is that the 'Mag has a BPS cap, 'Cocker doesn't. I don't shoot 20 bps, don't claim to, but if I happen to get 2 pulls off in less than .05, it's only going to shoot once on a E-Mag. That's a killer if you're snapshooting.

Bolt on my 'Cocker stops on the ball. I was just using that as a point of reference for the people who live and die by LX. I know it isn't a big deal. Also, for some of us, we get through the week to the weekends by being able to play with a marker to squeeze an extra 20 shots out of a fill and an extra .2 possible bps.

I wasn't 'making fun' of tippmann's customizability, I was just saying to whoever it was that said tippy's are kings of customizability... 'Cockers are way more customizable. And if you really want a unique marker, you can get a new body for your 'Cocker. I've yet to see any A-5 bodies. Didn't mean to offend/upset..

Orion- If your 'Mag is kicking more than a blowback, you've got something wrong or the internals on the blowbacks weigh like... nothing. And my dad has never bought me anything for paintball, ever. Not even a case of paint. I've worked my *** off for all my gear, thank you very much.

Wobbles... I'd like to get a chance to check out the TE Tippy's... rumor has it they, um, aren't 'production' or close to it.

[FalconGuy016]

Tippmann's are not precise enough for tournament play. Thats the big deal, but then there is the too long, too slow, too ugly thing too but a precise gun is a very determining factor in tourney ball. Being able to have a stable easy to snapshoop marker and low recoil is key

[Steelrat]

A guy with a tippman A-5 was kicking the crap out of everyone, including me, at the field today. He knew the field well, and played tight. Frankly, I didnt see the gun impacting his game at all. It was even running on CO2!

[Banshee23]

Thing with the 3.2 E-Mag vs my 'Cocker is that the 'Mag has a BPS cap, 'Cocker doesn't. I don't shoot 20 bps, don't claim to, but if I happen to get 2 pulls off in less than .05, it's only going to shoot once on a E-Mag. That's a killer if you're snapshooting.

#1 - the 3.2 software has a little thing called shot buffering, which means that the e-mag will be firing both of those shots

#2 - Your cocker doesn't technically have a "BPS cap" per say, but chances are your max rate of fire is less than 20 bps with an eblade on there....

And yes, the mag/cocker thing is over... Just get over it

[Konigballer]

nobody is saying that in individual cases, a person can't kick but against better armed opponents with a Tippmann. Its all about the persons game.

But when using a marker for tournies, it is rediculous to compare the performance of any legal Tippy with that of high end electros for tourny use. Their is no comparison, end of story. Thats all he needs to know.

The fact that u may know "some guy who slays all with an A-5" is meaningless within the context of this discussion. Its about if a Tippmann is suited for tourny play compared to other markers and it is'nt. Suitability is based on performance pure and simple. We are not evaluating this guys's game with a tippmann, we are evalutaing the tippmann itself.

I can be Mario Andretti and win LeMans driving a Pinto, but that does'nt mean it was the right tool for the job regardless of how well I may do with it.

[eric]

But when using a marker for tournies, it is rediculous to compare the performance of any legal Tippy with that of high end electros for tourny use. Their is no comparison, end of story. Thats all he needs to know.

Not end of story. I used to feel the same way though. Have you ever even seen an ebolt 98 setup nicely? THe trigger pull is the same as any high end electro and the gun keeps up. I know a few of Effect and their 98's dont have anything special to em, just ebolt kits, and they still shoot ropes. Ive seen a manual that shoots nicer than any mag ive ever shot.

You cant compare a stock $140 tippman to a $1400 alias as proof that tippmans suck.

[teufelhunden]

#1 - the 3.2 software has a little thing called shot buffering, which means that the e-mag will be firing both of those shots

#2 - Your cocker doesn't technically have a "BPS cap" per say, but chances are your max rate of fire is less than 20 bps with an eblade on there....

And yes, the mag/cocker thing is over... Just get over it

Shot buffering is illegal at many tourneys, IIRC. After I write this post I'll look thru the nipple rules.

Chances are my rof is under 20 bps 97% of the time. That other 3%, I want all my shots. Legally.

And mag/cocker may be over in your own head, but not in anybody else's. 'Mags are sweet guns, but they aren't the best... leave AO once in a while.

[teufelhunden]

NPPL rule 11.02:

The definition of a trigger is a movable lever or button that comes in contact with the finger. The contacts of a switch are not a trigger. A trigger pull requires an exertion of force by the finger on the trigger and a release of force by the finger on the trigger during every shooting cycle. Markers may shoot at any rate of fire, and may shoot any number of paintballs, provided that it shoots in semi auto or pump mode only, which means that no more than one paintball is discharged during each shooting cycle

Henceforth, if you're doing 25 bps on a 3.2 E-Mag for four secondsand it fires for an extra second after you stop pulling the trigger, you're gonna be pulled and excused from the tournament.

[Banshee23]

NPPL rule 11.02:



Henceforth, if you're doing 25 bps on a 3.2 E-Mag for four secondsand it fires for an extra second after you stop pulling the trigger, you're gonna be pulled and excused from the tournament.

Umm this is a trigger bounce rule, translating into one shot one pull. All the shot buffering does is remember a trigger pull if it missed one, you're never getting extra shots you didn't account for. Since many people have & continue to use E/Xmags in NPPL tournies it doesn't seem to be an issue to me... On the other hand Eblades have this funny tendenacy to bounce quite a bit at high speeds, which does fall under this rule. Probably why they tend to get pulled quite a bit at NPPL tourneys.

And where the hell did you get mags are the best from? I certainly didn't say anything of the sort. And what in the world makes you think anyone cares about the whole mag/cocker thing anymore? It's an outdated rivalry that nobody gives a crap about anymore, neither one is top of the heap or has been in a while now. So if you're gonna come on a predominantly mag forum & start spouting how your Eblade is so much better (it's nice, but it isn't better) then just save everyone here some trouble & go post on PBN, you'll fit in quite nicely there.

[teufelhunden]

Umm this is a trigger bounce rule, translating into one shot one pull. All the shot buffering does is remember a trigger pull if it missed one, you're never getting extra shots you didn't account for. Since many people have & continue to use E/Xmags in NPPL tournies it doesn't seem to be an issue to me... On the other hand Eblades have this funny tendenacy to bounce quite a bit at high speeds, which does fall under this rule. Probably why they tend to get pulled quite a bit at NPPL tourneys.

Right. When a ref sees you stop pulling but the gun keep going I'm sure he'll let you stay.

Eblades are quite easy to unbounce. Lower the LPR and up your tpul and trel.

And where the hell did you get mags are the best from? I certainly didn't say anything of the sort. And what in the world makes you think anyone cares about the whole mag/cocker thing anymore? It's an outdated rivalry that nobody gives a crap about anymore, neither one is top of the heap or has been in a while now. So if you're gonna come on a predominantly mag forum & start spouting how your Eblade is so much better (it's nice, but it isn't better) then just save everyone here some trouble & go post on PBN, you'll fit in quite nicely there.

Right. You're the one going on about how 'Cocker vs 'Mag is dead, which I disagree with. I back my argument with facts. You, however, do not. Even right there you did the same thing.. "it's nice, but it isn't better" is just furthering your lack of a cause.

I'll stick with my facts, you stick with your babble and we'll call it a day.

[spasticsquirrel]

When will the cockers vs mags end, i like em both, i got a mag because my friends were or got cockers, if they were getting mags, i would have gotten a cocker. I have shot a E-bladed custom cocker, and i have shot it when it didn't have the e-blade. I have shot my mag (duh). I think that they both have their pros and cons. This will keep on going on like the tippman vs spyders. It will go on like autocockers vs impulces. It WILL ALWAYS GO ON AS LONG AS THERE ARE LOYAL COSTUMERS! im sure that there are other debates of what marker are better, but these are what i mostly see.

[jwalker87]

what he's saying, teufelhunden, is that NO ONE CARES ANYMORE. Mags and 'cockers are different. It is impossible to say whether one is better than the other. It's comparing apples to oranges, for lack of a better comparison. I'm not going to argue this beyond what I just said, but I'll end with saying that your argument is not proving that you are right; it is merely proving that you in fact are are the puerile immature little child you are trying desparately not be.

[teufelhunden]

it is merely proving that you in fact are are the puerile immature little child you are trying desparately not be.

Says the kid who can't yet buy cigarettes or lottery tickets.

Of course, I am quite puerile and immature. :tup: to you for figuring out my secret.

[fuzzynutzipper]

Well, I am an active tippmann user and a regular at the Tippy forum as well, and I have to say that most of over there agree that tippmanns aren't the greatest tournament guns... but they weren't designed to be so. ie: on the A-5, which I do own one, do you think having a big ol cyclone feeder sticking out the right side of the gun was designed for players to be tucking tight into bunkers, no. Most of the tippmann users are people who go out to someone's back yard with a bunch of friends and play their own games. Frankly, I think tippmann markets most of their products towards newbs to get them interested in the sport. All I have to say is sniper barrels... hehe. Tippmanns are good paintball guns, but not for every kind of game.

Remember... not all of us are speedballers!

[teufelhunden]

Well, I am an active tippmann user and a regular at the Tippy forum as well, and I have to say that most of over there agree that tippmanns aren't the greatest tournament guns... but they weren't designed to be so. ie: on the A-5, which I do own one, do you think having a big ol cyclone feeder sticking out the right side of the gun was designed for players to be tucking tight into bunkers, no. Most of the tippmann users are people who go out to someone's back yard with a bunch of friends and play their own games. Frankly, I think tippmann markets most of their products towards newbs to get them interested in the sport. All I have to say is sniper barrels... hehe. Tippmanns are good paintball guns, but not for every kind of game.

Remember... not all of us are speedballers!

Well said.

I like the line in your sig, too.