Time to hit Tippmans

[No sKiLLz]

Yeah, you guys are totally right. I mean, if someone posts on you shooting a 20 bps rope and you stick your face in the stream, there's no reason you couldn't get a shot or two off in the .05 second gap between balls.

BTW, if you don't think shooting fast is important, why did you spend $1400 on an X-mag?

[Rebel46_99]

And if you know where the stream is, why would you be stupid enough to use that same angle?

And I didn't pay $1400 for an X. I bought one because I could, not because I needed one. Is that a good enough answer, pookie?

[No sKiLLz]

And if you know where the stream is, why would you be stupid enough to use that same angle?

And I didn't pay $1400 for an X. I bought one because I could, not because I needed one. Is that a good enough answer, pookie?

Soooo....if you're not going to stick your head out at that angle, one could concievably just keep shooting that angle and walk up on you, right?
After all, you're not going to poke out and shoot.

Oh, and any answer would have been fine. I just thought you might have a valid reason instead of a cop-out.

[ShooterJM]

Soooo....if you're not going to stick your head out at that angle, one could concievably just keep shooting that angle and walk up on you, right?

Fortunately there is usually more then one spot on a bunker that you can pop out of.

[No sKiLLz]

Fortunately there is usually more then one spot on a bunker that you can pop out of.

Sure. That works GREAT if the opponent is wrapping his bunker to get to you. But let's assume he's not retarted.

[teufelhunden]

Which brings up the same old tired-*** argument of how many times do you have to hit a player before he's out? 11? 13? 15? 20??? Last I heard, it was just ONCE!!!

Once you guys get it in your head that ROF=a better player, you just don't give up, do you? So what if you can lay down 20-30 bps? If you don't hit anyone, what good does it do you? While you're concentrating on a sustained ROF (spray and pray), some 11 y/o will sting you in the neck with a PGP. Some of you guys are real works of art.

And the tourney was LAST year. My total paintball experience amounted to a full 9 months at that point. Around here, you're allowed one full year of tourney play before you have to step up to Novice. The comment about velocity was in reference to an earlier post about Tippy's being able to shoot that low.

So take your Cockers and your 20bps holier-than-thou attitude someplace where people actually care.

Well, since you only need to hit someone once to get them out, toss your Tippmann, toss your X-Mag, and buy a BE Blade. It'll shoot one ball, enough for one elim.

Ah, but it doesn't work like that, does it? That's what I thought. Also, when we play, it's all tourney guys. We all have on our tourney gear, which means even Evil at 300 is gonna bounce. So 1 hit doesn't always equal an elim. Well, I guess you could take the Tippmann back out, because you could put out 2 or 3 at someone when they pop out.

But then you wanna shoot at people on the break. Hm. Those 5 bps from the Tippmann aren't cutting it, are they? When there's .2 seconds between balls, you better be a damn good shot to pop someone while you're on the run, they're on the run, and at the opposite end of the field. Or, you could take your X-Mag back out and rain some paint. Wow! Some elims. But wait, it only takes one hit per kill. Back to the Blade.



Nice logic you've got.

But, there's more. I play back. Usually. That means my job is not to get elims. My job is to put my fronts/inserts in a position where they can get elims without getting shot out. Hm. Well, I'll just stop bringing a gun onto the field. I'm not shooting anyone for the most part. Don't need the extra weight I guess!

The point about Tippmann velocity was not mine, so I won't say anything.

My holier-than-thou attitude? How about my I-have-more-tourney-experience-than-many/most-around-here attitude? Maybe I could spread some of my knowledge. But nah, I won't. Because I'm no longer an effective player, I don't bring a gun on the field.

[wombo102]

i personaly hate tippmans. sure they are ok for beginers but everyone i know has a tippman 98 custom.

[ShooterJM]

Sure. That works GREAT if the opponent is wrapping his bunker to get to you. But let's assume he's not retarted.

Should we also assume you can't move to another bunker, call a teammate to put him in his bunker or shoot your other angles all while he's posted on one angle of your bunker at 20 bps?

Anyway you cut it, if you pop out into a 20bps rope you're getting a face full of ego killer.

[Vanced]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

This is just like everything else in paintball ... Just a matter of opinion... Find what works for you, and enjoy the game for what it is... a game...

Welcome to America ... Everyone is allowed an opinion... but please respect others ... so feel free to share yours but don't force it on anyone...

If that isn't working for you... I am sure you can move somewhere that you'll be given the definate answers your looking for... and everyone that doesn't like it will be quickly killed... maybe that will make you happy ...

If you are having fun, and you find contentment with your game, your equipment, and the people you are playing with... you are way ahead of the folks arguing over the mag vs cocker ... LP vs HP... Closed Bolt vs Open Bolt... 200 vs 2000 dollar gun ... or any other opinions in paintball...

Some people might as well agure does the color of the gun make a bigger diffence ?

Just makes me laugh some time... and knowing that this post will probably be flamed for just the hell of it... but I am smile'n as I type it and will be playing and having fun this weekend with some of my best friends... some shooting Mags, some Spyders, Some Tippys, and who knows what else we'll drag out or end up shooting...

Just another worthless 2 virtual cents for ya...

P.S. - I own 2 Tippys'. In my 14 years of playing this game... I own, have owned, have shot or played with just about everything that made a ball of jello full of food coloring go fast down a polished piece of plumbing in hopes of having fun and for the love of sport...

[Rebel46_99]

OK... For the sake of this discussion, with all things being proved/disproved, believed/unbelieved.... It all comes back to, as I stated before, that if someone can't reach 20+ bps, either 1) they're no good as a player or 2) their marker is inferior.... and there is ALWAYS someone else who stands on his dais and preaches that fact to the masses.

Tuefel, you may be an excellent player, and that is to your credit. But, what sets people off is when you use a competing product and then come on the competitor's BBS and tell them they're using crap, is where we have a problem. I believe it's called professional courtesy. If I want to shoot a Blade, Tippy, Spyder, Angel or an X-Mag, who are you or anyone else for that matter to tell me I'm wrong? If you present it in a manner different from what we've seen here, i.e. "this is why I like Product A", as opposed to "you don't want that, it sucks", people might actually listen to you once in a while.

I'm trying to be constructive because these always turn into flamefests with neither side changing the other's opinions. It ALL comes down to personal preference, how much simpler can it be.

Sorry, guys...... I'm done here.

DW

[No sKiLLz]

Should we also assume you can't move to another bunker, call a teammate to put him in his bunker or shoot your other angles all while he's posted on one angle of your bunker at 20 bps?

Anyway you cut it, if you pop out into a 20bps rope you're getting a face full of ego killer.

At the risk of going through a million different scenarios, let's just say ceteris peribus (all things being equal) the guy who can shoot more paint has the advantage.

[teufelhunden]

Tuefel, you may be an excellent player, and that is to your credit. But, what sets people off is when you use a competing product and then come on the competitor's BBS and tell them they're using crap, is where we have a problem. I believe it's called professional courtesy. If I want to shoot a Blade, Tippy, Spyder, Angel or an X-Mag, who are you or anyone else for that matter to tell me I'm wrong? If you present it in a manner different from what we've seen here, i.e. "this is why I like Product A", as opposed to "you don't want that, it sucks", people might actually listen to you once in a while.

I'm trying to be constructive because these always turn into flamefests with neither side changing the other's opinions. It ALL comes down to personal preference, how much simpler can it be.

Sorry, guys...... I'm done here.

DW

I called something crap? Don't recall that. I said that the 'Cocker in its present form has a bunch of advantages over the current 'Mags... but two years ago before the EBlade it would've been the other way. Other than the efficiency, mech 'Mags are better than mech 'Cockers for the most part. And who knows, maybe next year/whenever Tom gets his new gun out it may tip.

I long digressed from the product issue when it turned into ANOTHER rof debate.. And I don't recall saying wrong... but if you or anybody else is going to deny that a 'Cocker/Timmy/Trix/Shocker/Borg/Whatever is a better marker than a Tippmann, then you've got a number of issues..

And yes, often times there is a wrong way and a right way. Personal preference can only go so far. Someone, I forget where, probably on PBR or AIM, put it like this, in reference to the drop forward thing: Personal preference only goes so far. If your personal preference is to do something way A, but way B is more effective, why continue doing it way A? He equated it to a tennis serve; when he came into his HS tennis team, he served his way, which was more comfortable for him, but he forced himself to do it the way he was coached to do it, because it was more effective. Ditto for drops; no drop puts your wrist in a natural angle, meaning less movement on a shot [better accuracy] and less strain on the wrist, meaning higher ROF. Not to mention it's far more practical to have a long marker than a tall marker. But I digress, that's not the issue at hand here, even though it will probably become one because using an outside example always becomes that.

I ran a very nicely set up 'Mag for about 7 months. So at least my opinion is coming from somewhere. People all the time talk about OMG TEH TIMMY IS TEH BETTER TAHN TEH MATRIX and have shot each of them once on a range. Automatically makes an educated opinion, right?

And to your first point, which I removed from the quote because I wasn't going to talk about it but now that I saw it again I'm gonna-- the ability to max your ROF doesn't make you a good or bad player. It may make you more effective, but if you can run a field with a VSC Phantom, hell, more power to you. But think about what you could do with an Karnivore or Alias.


Vanced- winning usually creates a higher level of fun, no? Nobody likes losing. Hence, when you talk/argue about a better marker/hopper/tank/barrel condom, if you get out that product A really is better than product B and can help a player, then aren't you helping them have fun, as it will aid them in their quest for world dominati... err, victory between the tapes?


Wow. Kinda disjointed and such, but it hopefully gets a message or two out.

[kungfuhampster11]

alright, 13 bps IS fast, it may not be as fast as 16 bps or whatever you average, but you can defiantley hold someone down with 13 bps as you can with 17 bps, 17 bps is defiabntley more usfaul for a back player than 13, but its not absolutley necessary, and not everyone plays back, so speed isnt what were all looking for, i have a minimag with a classic valve, stock single trigger, and i hold my own just fine cuz i can pull around 7 bps MAX but i dont play back so i dont need that kind of speed, so try puttin yourself in a differnt position point of view, then youll see how 13 bps is fast indeed in some cases

[teufelhunden]

Here's how I look at it...

Ever needed 12 feet of rope and only had 10? Kinda wish you bought 20 when you were at the store.

Same way with BPS. Am I always ripping as hard as I can? Negative. Is it nice to know I can empty a hopper real quick if necessary? Sure is.

[Vanced]

teufelhunden - True winning can add a level of fun to the game... but with all things comes a cost ... sometimes the cost of winning doesn't justify the means... So are you saying you must have a $2000 paint cannon... to have fun compete and anyone that doesn't have the means to tote one of theese to the fields shouldn't even bother ? Even if you put it IS better than gun "X".

Ok Sell your Car, starve your kids, lie, cheat , steal what ever it takes to get that edge... because THAT is what is important in the game... not the friends and fun, challenge, and the sport of it all...

So are you also saying that winning is SO important that you do what ever it takes... and BPS you are calling the determining factor... do you use the cheater WAS boards, ramping up software, debounced whatever...

Supose it is ok to take steriods, wipe, pad your clothes, bend what ever rule you can to get away with everythign but what will get you ejected... so bassicly if you can't win fair ...cheat

Just because you have one doesn't make you a better person, mean you will have more fun, and very often mean you will win ... May it A advantage ... it is most certainly not the only or most certainly not the most important advantage...

Nobody likes to lose... quite possibly true... but I know some of my fondest memories of paintball have come in a loss... the great move... the last on your team and you take out 3 or 4 before you go... Or the time you were so caught up in sneaking up on someone or moving to the next bunker you ran / sneak right past someone that shoots you in the rear. Very so often you remember an specific event in a game and not the outcome of the game...

So bottom line... If you only play this game to win or lose... then you are missing out on what truely is best... the people and having fun...