Time to hit Tippmans

[kungfuhampster11]

that sorta along the lines of what i was saying, i like playing with my mag, i love that gun, and i can and will play against people with there guns that can rip 30 bps and use there debounce settings to get it up there real high, IMO its more fun and exhilerating for me to be at a disadvantage when i play, and dont say that it gives me an excuse for losing, if i lose i dont usually take it that hard, ill just try and find my mistake and not make it again, but winning agaisnt something like that is real fun and is real good for your self asteem, and it can give yya some bragging rights, over someone that has a timmy and has played for many years is bragging about taking out the kid with the brass eagel avenger that is playin for the first time

[Vanced]

Here's how I look at it...

Ever needed 12 feet of rope and only had 10? Kinda wish you bought 20 when you were at the store.

Same way with BPS. Am I always ripping as hard as I can? Negative. Is it nice to know I can empty a hopper real quick if necessary? Sure is.

Not if the first 10 feet cost me $200 bucks and the last 10 cost me another $1800

Buy two 10 foot pieaces and tie um together for 400 and save yourself 1400 and buy yourself a clue to what is important and should have priorities in life...

[fuzzynutzipper]

so what you're saying is... buy two tippmanns and go double gunnin it? hehe.

[teufelhunden]

Where you get $2000 from is beyond me. My 'Cocker is about $800 now. Imps and Bushies can be had for around 4-450. BKOs around 3. Got my TES for $170. All these guns are fast. Not equal, but all fast. So there goes your 11-20ft of rope costing $1800. By the way, every penny in my gun is my own sweat. Work 40+ hrs a week over the summer to play ball, although now we're starting to get some sponsors so maybe more money can go to other things.

I don't have WAS. My gun can bounce, all nocap/highcap electro guns can bounce. I don't let my gun bounce. Anybody who plays speedball and uses ROF to their advantage is a cheater now? I've never had a 141 called on me [well, there was one but it was an admitted noob ref who apologized after the game when he realized it was the wrong call], never been DQ'd after a game/from a tourney, my gun doesn't shoot hot, it doesn't ramp, it doesn't bounce.

Within the rules, I'll do whatever it takes to win. I'll put 10 balls on someone to make sure a few break and they can be easily spotted by a paint check. Never been called for that. I'll push into air bunkers so I can be less visible to the other team's shooters.

If you have those memories because you lost, you're not as competitive as many paintballers. If I make a sweet move and lose, I'm less apt to remember it [unless it was omg sweet] if I lose. Ever run thru a guy to win a tourney? Bunker a guy who had no idea you were there? Feels a lot better if you're winning. I play for that. Not for the comrodority. That comes off the field, between games. When my mask is down and my gun on... it's pure competition.

[SpecialBlend2786]

cuase either way ill meat you at the 50 with my pgp and still shoot you once before you put 5 in my chest and ill just sit there repump and keep playing as your walking off the feild

no you wont

But anyway, I think the BPS issue really depends on your playing style. For instance, a front player needs to be able to fire off 5-7 rounds QUICK, while a back player may need to be able to set up a consistant and constant rythem of fire which is decently fast.

Regardless however, I believe that using lower-end gear will in the long run make you a better player. This is the reason i'm against kids getting Angels and Timmy's as their first gun. Start small and work your way up. A beginer doesn;t need that kind of firepower, and if he does have it available, he resorts to relying on firepower as opposed to tecnique and skill.

Tippmann Effect and Bad Company are examples of teams using sub-par gear and relying on their skills to succeed. I believe they get much more gratification through this method then other teams who use tricked out $1000+ impy's and still suck (Ton Tons ).

ok, I'm done ranting.

[Jackel411]

Just as an FYI..

No matter what gun I have used or are using in a tourny season... ( Ir3 last year , b2k3 this year , I still prefer my ugly assed E Gripped A5.. Why??

Heres why...
1) Combined with a good vert reg/Apocolypse tank set up it will chrono consistantly in the range I need to set it at.
2) The feeder mech can keep up with me unlike my crappy halo that just seems to break more than work , or my egg which doenst have a zboard yet
3) Add a barrel kit and a matched paint its deadly accurate
4) No mods , no eye , no cheater boards... its the fastest damn gun I have seen thats locked doen in semi only

OH about the long and slow debate... FYI my A5 is the same lenght as my buddies Z timmy and faster

[Vanced]

Where you get $2000 from is beyond me. My 'Cocker is about $800 now.

Add up the total of your Gear... I am talking all your gear you feel you need to wear to win.. Packs, pods, custom jerseys,C4 pants, Tanks, drops, fittings, batteries, Halo's, etc... 800 might not get you to 2k but anyone who has bought a new angel, timmy, x-mag, etc or any 1200+ gun will typically go over 2k once you add all the little extras you buy and don't realize it... All the stuff as you put it you need to win...

Within the rules, I'll do whatever it takes to win. I'll put 10 balls on someone to make sure a few break and they can be easily spotted by a paint check. Never been called for that. I'll push into air bunkers so I can be less visible to the other team's shooters.

As I said in my very first post... and never wanted to digress to this level.. paintball is if nothing else just a game of opinion... If you have to do take everything to the to have fun ... All I can say is in MY OPINION you are missing out on what really matters... I have been at your point of view for a differnt sport but it is all the same... ran my 10 miles day, lifted 4 days a week, ate right, practiced hard 7 days a week, put up with 2 a days in the summer heat, did everything by the book to bust my *** to try and win at all costs... and did win a lot... BUT...

Now here I am years and a couple of bad knees later... and I can't tell you the results of 90% of what I did even thought it was my entire world at the time ... But I still can tell you about the friends I have made the stuff we did after and before games / meets / competitions... the jokes and hyjinks at practice or bus or car rides...

If winning is all that drives you, and all that you find the enjoyment in ... in MY OPINION you lead a very shallow and misguided life... speaking as one AO friend to another... enjoy the ride every bit as much as the destination... because life is just a big collection of thoose little moments all strung together... There are no secerts in life ... but the closest thing I have ever seen to one is to simple find contentment and happiness in who you are, what you do, and your impact on the lives of people around you...

If you are happy with the way you play and live... then more power too you... just remember that is what works for you... it may not and probably will not work for the next guy... accept the views of other people as they should accept the views of you... because for me I will always get more out of shaking the kids hand with the tippmann for playing a good, clean, fun game, give me one more person to play with, and watch our sport grow and prosper than sitching him from 10 feet, jumping up and down, and telling him come back with new gear so you can play with the big boys or stay home... and I think he or she would too... because that is how the sport you love got to where it is today... not by an elitist winning is everything attitude...

[p u r e e v i l]

Hrm...

(Going back to the first page...)

Tippmanns really aren't THAT long. I mean, the A5 is a lot shorter then some guns out there, and regular 98's (with or without barrels) are about the same size as a Spyder and Cocker. (I've compaired)

An advantage would be the profile, with the right set up. It (Tippmann) being a single tubed marker, where as other markers are a little more...longer downward.

As for Tippmanns being slow, sure, if it's stock. But if you're going to use a Tippmann 98c or A-5 and plan on getting serious in the scene WITH it, make it electronic...simple.

[Rebel46_99]

Where you get $2000 from is beyond me. My 'Cocker is about $800 now. Imps and Bushies can be had for around 4-450. BKOs around 3. Got my TES for $170. All these guns are fast. Not equal, but all fast. So there goes your 11-20ft of rope costing $1800. By the way, every penny in my gun is my own sweat. Work 40+ hrs a week over the summer to play ball, although now we're starting to get some sponsors so maybe more money can go to other things.

I don't have WAS. My gun can bounce, all nocap/highcap electro guns can bounce. I don't let my gun bounce. Anybody who plays speedball and uses ROF to their advantage is a cheater now? I've never had a 141 called on me [well, there was one but it was an admitted noob ref who apologized after the game when he realized it was the wrong call], never been DQ'd after a game/from a tourney, my gun doesn't shoot hot, it doesn't ramp, it doesn't bounce.

Within the rules, I'll do whatever it takes to win. I'll put 10 balls on someone to make sure a few break and they can be easily spotted by a paint check. Never been called for that. I'll push into air bunkers so I can be less visible to the other team's shooters.

If you have those memories because you lost, you're not as competitive as many paintballers. If I make a sweet move and lose, I'm less apt to remember it [unless it was omg sweet] if I lose. Ever run thru a guy to win a tourney? Bunker a guy who had no idea you were there? Feels a lot better if you're winning. I play for that. Not for the comrodority. That comes off the field, between games. When my mask is down and my gun on... it's pure competition.

Picky, Picky, Picky......... Yes, I know I said I was done, but I couldn't help myself.

Vanced's total of $2000 was strictly a reference point, or are you always this literal? And my use of the word "crap" was another rhetorical reference. In your second sentence you proved Vanced's point. "My Cocker is about $800 now ." What was it before? I assume $3-400? You already had the "first 10 feet". And yet you spend another $3-400 or more on the next 2 feet. Why?

Again, I say, WHO are YOU to determine whether a player would be better off playing with, (guess I better be precise here, lest I be taken out of context), Marker A as opposed to Marker B? If you provide reams of data and that player still decides to go with his first choice, that's his choice to make. Are you then going to continue to ridicule him for making that choice?

It's time to step down from your pulpit.

DW

[No sKiLLz]

It's time to step down from your pulpit.

DW

Hey pot, at least the kettle didn't get back up on it.

Jackel 411: Was there really any point to lying?

I think it's a great thing when people use Tippmans in tournament play, I encourage more people to use them. Those who oppose it, think about what you're saying. Realize all the things you feel are bad about the Tippmans and then think about what side of the field they're on.

[Rebel46_99]

Hey pot, at least the kettle didn't get back up on it.

Jackel 411: Was there really any point to lying?

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And your point is, child? I felt there was something to be refuted.

And what did Jackel lie about? State your point.

DW

[No sKiLLz]

And your point is, child? I felt there was something to be refuted.

And what did Jackel lie about? State your point.

DW

You know, for an old man, you're not too bright.

[Tack]

its the player not the gun, a tippmann well setup will carry you as far as your game will...

[Rebel46_99]

You know, for an old man, you're not too bright.

[Jackel411]

No skillz

Trust me on this one.. most definitly not lying....

This exact discussion came up during a tourny where I was seen basically throwing my then matrix in the trunk of my car and picking up my Ea5 , Im not saying evey one should run out and do the same.. But not for nothing , Ive held my own up against NYX and Ground Zero in practices using a mere Ea5 with matched paint to barrel combo ( CP kit ) , CP reg , double trigger , and an adjustable tank..

And you know what , if all things go well , maybe just maybe youll see me do the same in X ball if I ever get around to taking offers up with people.

I never cared about guns and the price point , I use what works and what suits my needs... I still shock people when I work at my store and giggle when they ask me " How come I dont carry DM-4's? " my answer is always the same " Kid , trust me for 1400 bucks you can get this gun , a high end tank , and a barrel kit , and have a better time "

Flame me if you want.. but any AONY members Ill be happy to let you shoot my Ea5 if we ever play together ( hey Im going to HiVI2 in two weeks ) and then the reaction is always the same " What is this thing?!?! "