Time to hit Tippmans

[SpecialBlend2786]

Well, I am an active tippmann user and a regular at the Tippy forum as well, and I have to say that most of over there agree that tippmanns aren't the greatest tournament guns... but they weren't designed to be so. ie: on the A-5, which I do own one, do you think having a big ol cyclone feeder sticking out the right side of the gun was designed for players to be tucking tight into bunkers, no. Most of the tippmann users are people who go out to someone's back yard with a bunch of friends and play their own games. Frankly, I think tippmann markets most of their products towards newbs to get them interested in the sport. All I have to say is sniper barrels... hehe. Tippmanns are good paintball guns, but not for every kind of game.

Remember... not all of us are speedballers!

yep.

Also, Tippmanns DOMINATE the scenario market. Not cockers. Not mags. Not impulses, angels, timmys.

Tippmanns.

[trains are bad]

I could have a long (accurate) barrel while still having a short marker.

long != accurate.

I love tippmanns.

Mine is every bit as fast as a mag. Even more consistant than a mag.

[Rebel46_99]

nobody is saying that in individual cases, a person can't kick but against better armed opponents with a Tippmann. Its all about the persons game.

But when using a marker for tournies, it is rediculous to compare the performance of any legal Tippy with that of high end electros for tourny use. Their is no comparison, end of story. Thats all he needs to know.

The fact that u may know "some guy who slays all with an A-5" is meaningless within the context of this discussion. Its about if a Tippmann is suited for tourny play compared to other markers and it is'nt. Suitability is based on performance pure and simple. We are not evaluating this guys's game with a tippmann, we are evalutaing the tippmann itself.

I can be Mario Andretti and win LeMans driving a Pinto, but that does'nt mean it was the right tool for the job regardless of how well I may do with it.

This goes to Teufel, also...

On a Sunday in May of 2003, my 19 y/o son and I, plus a player we picked up THAT morning, won a 3-man Rookie Tourney here in St. Louis. We lost one game in the pre-lims because of a mistake I made and we ended the day 9-1.

What were we shooting? My son was shooting a Red dust SFL E-Mag, the other guy had a Tippy E-98 and I was shooting a Tippy 98. No bloody C or E if that helps tell you it's age. We beat some good teams loaded to the gills with Angels, Impulses, highly-modded Cockers and lord knows what else. We po'd alot of people in the process while at the same time we opened a few eyes. The E-98 chronoed twice at 220-230 and mine was between 250-270 on 3 occasions.

So, all of this chest-thumping about the virtues of whether a Tippy is tournament worthy or not, or the old cocker/mag argument, it all comes back to a familiar refrain.

It's not the Equipment........... It's the Player.

On that particular day, I and my teammates happen to be on our games. 2 Tippy's and an SFL.

DW

P.S. and YES, I do own an X-Mag now.

[hobbesTZ]

I'm sure you would have done better with the Xmag. Otherwise, it's just an expensive paper wieght that you may as well sell to get something that will make a differance in your life.

[barrel break]

Tippmanns can be MADE to be super high ROF tourney beats, but you might have to put some time into it...
my old mech 98 was fast enough for me ~ 8BPS, without an E-bolt, if you want to see some crazy 98's, check out the tippmann marker gallery, specifically Ricos Revenge, his 98 is sicker than most angels I've seen, 13 BPS, and beutiful

anyway, to the Tippmann Effect thing, they are not heavily modded, some Tipp EF players dont even have e-bolts! they still win too

[Fixion]

just a heads up on the too long/too slow argument..

a tuned tippman will shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger, with the ebolt, its as capable as any other emarker.

as far as length, i beleive its 1.5 inches longer than an angel LCD... and we all know how those arent tourny guns..

its the player not the gun, a tippmann well setup will carry you as far as your game will...

1.5 inches is alot, considering the placement of the trigger frames
Then think about where ball feed is....

[teufelhunden]

This goes to Teufel, also...

On a Sunday in May of 2003, my 19 y/o son and I, plus a player we picked up THAT morning, won a 3-man Rookie Tourney here in St. Louis. We lost one game in the pre-lims because of a mistake I made and we ended the day 9-1.

What were we shooting? My son was shooting a Red dust SFL E-Mag, the other guy had a Tippy E-98 and I was shooting a Tippy 98. No bloody C or E if that helps tell you it's age. We beat some good teams loaded to the gills with Angels, Impulses, highly-modded Cockers and lord knows what else. We po'd alot of people in the process while at the same time we opened a few eyes. The E-98 chronoed twice at 220-230 and mine was between 250-270 on 3 occasions.

So, all of this chest-thumping about the virtues of whether a Tippy is tournament worthy or not, or the old cocker/mag argument, it all comes back to a familiar refrain.

It's not the Equipment........... It's the Player.

On that particular day, I and my teammates happen to be on our games. 2 Tippy's and an SFL.

DW

P.S. and YES, I do own an X-Mag now.

3-man rookie..

My team and I usually compete novice and occassionally am if it's a smaller tourney... haven't seen a Tippmann on a tourney field in... um, a long time. Those chrono numbers aren't really anything special either. And yes, I'm aware it's the player not the gun... but who is going to be able to play more effectively? Me with my 'Cocker or me with a Tippmann at 6 bps with paint going everywhere...

A better gun won't make a better player, but worse gun can hold back a better player.

Barrel break... Tippmann or not, 13 bps isn't fast. You can get an E-Spyder at the same speed. Look around for the videos of RTP's doing faster.

[barrel break]

13 BPS is plenty fast, who needs to shoot ropes anyway? most mech cockers shoot slower than that anyway

[ghideon]

M98C's are still the best gun for the money. You can't beat the amount of marker you get for $140...

[barrel break]

heck, you can get a new 98c for $110

[teufelhunden]

13 BPS is plenty fast, who needs to shoot ropes anyway? most mech cockers shoot slower than that anyway

13bps is not plenty fast. Hold a lane at 13 and then hold one at 17.

And I'm not a mech 'Cocker fan

I also beg to differ on the 98c being the best for the money. I got a TES for $170 brand new from the factory [w00t for AO members! ] that rips, is consistent, and is decently efficient... on CO2. I've heard problems with the eye at high ROFs, but I haven't taken it above like 13.. I don't wanna bother with fitting my Evo into that neck, so I'm just running a rev on it.

[No sKiLLz]

13 BPS is plenty fast, who needs to shoot ropes anyway? most mech cockers shoot slower than that anyway

Holy blaspheme!

I encourage as many people to play tourneys with Tippmans as possible. I think they are excellent paintball guns and really fast to boot. In fact, if you live in Southern California, or want to play tournaments here, I think you would be silly not to use one.

[trevorjk]

man id gladly use a tippman anyday, sure the 98c looks long but thats only cuase the front grip is so far forward and most kids put huge 18 inch barrels on those things... i could hold my own with my old tippmann anyday just as well as i can with my rtpro now... and i can honestly say ive been able to hold my own with a pgp... so please dont tell me the gun has anything to do with skill cuase either way ill meat you at the 50 with my pgp and still shoot you once before you put 5 in my chest and ill just sit there repump and keep playing as your walking off the feild

[jwalker87]

i dont think the argument here is that a good marker can be a substitute for skill. What he's saying, I think, is that the same person at the same skill level will do better with a 'mag than with a tippy.

[Rebel46_99]

Which brings up the same old tired-*** argument of how many times do you have to hit a player before he's out? 11? 13? 15? 20??? Last I heard, it was just ONCE!!!

Once you guys get it in your head that ROF=a better player, you just don't give up, do you? So what if you can lay down 20-30 bps? If you don't hit anyone, what good does it do you? While you're concentrating on a sustained ROF (spray and pray), some 11 y/o will sting you in the neck with a PGP. Some of you guys are real works of art.

And the tourney was LAST year. My total paintball experience amounted to a full 9 months at that point. Around here, you're allowed one full year of tourney play before you have to step up to Novice. The comment about velocity was in reference to an earlier post about Tippy's being able to shoot that low.

So take your Cockers and your 20bps holier-than-thou attitude someplace where people actually care.