What is AGD doing in the future?

[mixwell2]

Even todays new and young players have negative opinions regarding automags...Ex.

Two weeks ago at SC Village (So-CAL) I came back from a three on one, lucky, in the Arena. While the cheers from the side line felt good the quote from the opposing teams dead box hurt..."You guys just got your a** kicked by a fu**** automag"

After making over to the sidelines a few of the players struck up a conversation.
Many were suprised that I was using a mag. Many had negative opinions about the marker...I spent the next 5 or 10 minutes hyping the mag and the warp feed. Anyway I think that I may have changed some of their opinions.

What I am getting at is that it is up to all of us on the field using this excellent marker to try and change others perception. Many players approach me about the warp feed. This gives me the opportunity to hype the marker too.
It doesn't hurt to let them know that they just lost to that old, innefficient, heavy, inacurate, paint chopping automag.

[Silverback]

Get Rid of the AUTOMAG name?????

Concerning tournaments, we have not been able to change the minds of tourney players no matter what we did. The "mags suck" attitude would not go away.

TK (Sorry... MISTER PRESIDENT!),

Back in the day....("Start the "Way-back machine" Sherman...") That would be 1990, I used to laugh at the poor saps hiding behind their bunker, tree, rock, whatever, with their "Mags" torn apart in their laps as I thumped em, but good with my ever-trusty "Bushmaster" (The original pump-gun kids, not the pretender BM2K). I even saw a early Mag disgorge it's internal parts out the barrel.
We, (my Team mates of the time, Phantom Regiment - Black) went undefeated in the MSPA, in 1991, using "Tippmann 68-Specials", even though you had to shoot 20 balls just to get one to hit your target, (I think we coined the phrase, "Accuracy by Volume") we never-the-less laughed our asses off at the "Mags" and early-early "Autochoppers" because, at least the Tippmann worked, and we intimidated the hell out of everyone, with our cheap clunky guns.
Enter the 1992 Tournament season... We started getting our asses kicked by "68 Automags" that worked and were accurate as hell. Teams were just shooting into the clouds of CO2 Vapor, that the Tippmann put out (liquid CO2, don't ya know), and we were history, Due to the fact that we could afford new guns, was the only reason we held Second place that year.
After that EVERYBODY, was using "Mags", and they continued to gain popularity due to their construction, your tech backing, and their awesome accuracy.

So if you remember back to those days the "68 Automag" recovered from a much worse reputation than "Mags Suck", We all thought they were "Pieces of ****" at the time, but when they caught on... you couldn't make em fast enough.

Remember, despite the hype of some guns, players recognize a QUALITY PRODUCT, and when, and only when, Airgun Design markers are thumping up on the other guys will the tide turn.

I went to a field last week, in central CT., that I had never played. When I pulled out my RT, with it's Ice colored ULE body and polished 14" DYE barrel, all the players gathered around and wanted to know what type of marker I had. When I told them Automag RT, I got a bunch of "Oh yeah, I heard a them, you like it?" I just smiled and said, "Wouldn't have anything else." "Is it electonic?" "Hell, no, batteries are for HOPPERS, not markers!" Well at the end of that game and the next 6 after that, I had every player at this field, (Except the guy, who had just spent $1400.00 on a DM4, that I thumped all day.) wanting to try out my RT.

SO TOM... Don't abandon what works. When the tourny brats, start getting bunkered with RT's, or whatever the "next generation" Mag is, it WILL take over again. You just need to put it in the right hands.

[Iron Mag13]

Well TK i really dont care if you change the name to Pink Bunny or Blue Tigger or some chezzy name! as long as i have a) the reliable mech marker that the mag is with the hair trigger and such b) a very nice Scenario marker c) A KICKAS$ Electro to keep up with tourny. I really dont like the scenario kind of games, thats why i picked paintball over airsoft (UCKKKK i hate airsoft) yea dont get me wrong i like to play in the woods and all but tourny and x ball and rec is still what i love the best, i like scenario just not as much. i do want to go to D-Day reancatmint (not this year :( ) that looks awsome with the tanks but i dont care for the Stealth or the markers with little flashlights (thats kids play) i dont care for camafloge i care for speed lightweight, durible, and accurate! i use to play with a green spyder and my freinds would laugh cause they would be like " AHAHHHA we will be able to c u a mile away" i dont care if they c me 50000 miles away if i have the weight, speed, durablility, and accuret i can take them out! i am a very good player i have a 3 man and 5 man team with over 10 sponsers total i am experinced. so back to the point change the name i dont care! lay low i dont care! that will give me a chance to save up and when new stuff comes out to get it right away! as long as u have a elctro marker and a mech marker that is still like the AGD style and duriblity and a nice forum ill still like u. scenario is fine i dont care as long as there is still x ball and rec. thats all ia have to say!

Ps. Some of you ppl will get mad at me for my spelling and using inproper grammer well i DONT CARE! im out of school the last thing i need from u ppl is to critisice me on my grammer!

[spasticsquirrel]

i think that everyone on my field knows what an automag, and they respect it as a cocker, timmy, spyder, tippy, impulce, or whatever, and the thing they knew best was if you didnt lay down paint on me from the begining so i can't move and crap, i get to the snake and everyone is gone. :)
and if they did that, then my friend that was almost always on the other team would then shoot alot, but he wasn't as good with his A-5 than with his cocker. Lets see where mags are now

Weight :not the biggest problem, but now one of the lightest markers

Size: very tight and small and compact, my 12in scepter is longer than my mag

Ball breakage: If you have a LvX, and good paint, say goodbye to chopping

Accuracy: All markers are same, besides my A-5, that was messed up somehow, if you played metal gear solid and you know who fortune is, my shots were like i was aiming at her

Effiniency: This would be the last thing to touch up on, maybe some new valve thats larger, or a new kind of Lv bolt

Speed: What your touching up on right now, Hair trigger with make the fastest mech even faster, and you got those devil mag stuff, and e-mag bottom halfs, i wanna call it the e-mag A$$

recharge rate: the best right now, 26 bps easly, and when hooked up to a scuba tank *cough* *cough*, it can go higher.

Upgradability: Great, the upgrades are awsome, all of them are good exept for a couple *cough*ANS *cough*Smart Parts *cough*

is there anything else i haven't gotten to?

[Cool fool!]

hoocked on fonics werked fer mee!

[LONEWOLFOO1]

Man it will be cool if tom develop a marker something similair to the p90 submachine gun. or any gun that is similiar to the ats gun scenario players will jump on it. i know i would. i like that tac one but why isn't there a warp feed body for it?

i am waiting to buy a mag so whatever you decide i would be looking forward to your product until then i will use my bushmaster 2000 (yeah i mean 2000 thats the year i purchase the gun in the year 2000)

[Cyberious]

De Walt tools suck. They are the crap of the crap. I wouldnt use one if someone gave it to me. I burn through 3-4 screwguns a year. I have used ALL of them. Cheaper is not better. Spend the money and get something that will last...like a MAG!

No argument there but it did illustrate the gullability of the general public.

I do like the name Deadlywind though and think it would make a great name for a line of markers. Maybe Tom could buy that from nicad too.

Marker names could be stuff like:

Deadlywind
Divinewind
Breakwind (couldn't resist, although I'd buy one just for the name)

[slade]

Deadlywind
Divinewind
Breakwind (couldn't resist, although I'd buy one just for the name)

hmm... id just stick with deadlywind, its cool and it fits. divinewind sorta sounds like a perfume, and breakwind... like a jacket. although i think that actually would be a good idea to use the name deadlywind for the new product if Tom wants to drop the mag name...

[cledford]

I wonder if to a certain extent if the Airgun/AGD/Mag name doesn't still suffer some throw back from the Mag/Cocker days. Cockers were west coast guns and Mags east. Back then it was much easier to discern that the west coast guys could talk smack all day long (mags suck!) but in the end the 3 tourney guns (68 special, Cocker, mag & later to add the shocker and angel) but the mags could easily outshoot/out-perform the Tippmanns and the Cockers and still hold their own with the other 2.

Fast forward to today - with MANY more player in the market, some even with multiple entries (like Smart Parts) and multiple iterations (thing 9 kinds of Timmies) it is a LOT harder to fend off all of the smack when there are a number more markers to be competed against - even if you'd still win. Add on the fact (like it our not) much of the sport (along with every other "extreme" sport) is driven in large part from the west coast and you've got the guys who never did like mags (although their opinions weren't necessarily based on fact) winning the "last word" and getting their mis-information out there.

BTW, I think Airgun SHOULD STAY Airgun. The gun names can change. I like the Deadly Wind thing - it ties in with the power source for our markers (air).

I'm not sure laying low is going to help much, possibly for a while - but laying low was what happened when the mag name really started to decline in the first place - while the development of the FN303 was going on.

-Calvin

[trevorjk]

to much argueing... not enough of giving trevor sweet paintball stuff for free :)

[gc82000]

Deadlywind
Divinewind
Breakwind (couldn't resist, although I'd buy one just for the name)

hahhahaha
And I bet you trried so hard not to though.
And the slogan for the Break wind gun would be "where quality always shoots down wind" .

[Silverback]

Divinewind... I seem to recall from my History books..

Since the history buffs seem to be taking a vacation, let the old guy remind you young bucks that the Japanese word "KAMIKAZE" means "Divine Wind". So it would be a suitable name for a front players marker.

Just a thought.

[Cyberious]

Since the history buffs seem to be taking a vacation, let the old guy remind you young bucks that the Japanese word "KAMIKAZE" means "Divine Wind". So it would be a suitable name for a front players marker.

Just a thought.

I wondered if someone would catch that :-)

[bunker17]

yep anyone who read and understand japanese history

[68magOwner]

or anyone that went to highschool and took US or world history