If I were to get a non-AGD marker

[Miscue]

I'm perfectly happy with my EMag. IMO, it's the definitive e-marker and I have no reason to get anything else. It's fast and works perfectly.

However, say my EMag gets runover or something - and I need a new marker and the EMag is discontinued. I looked at all the new markers, and all the high end ones are like $1400. Personally, I think they are way over-priced... and I don't quite understand where they put $1400 worth of stuff (including a reasonable profit). I will not buy a $1000+ marker - because I think it's a waste... even if I had the cash in hand.

The closest thing that I think is an ok value, is an E-Bladed Cocker which is around $650. BKOs are cheap, but I don't know much about them... and an E-Spyder or Dragun just doesn't fancy me.

Getting to my point... I think there is a hole in the market. There's a lot of $300 cheapies, then the 900-$1400 ones. But I don't know of any ~$500 markers that really give you no reason to go out and buy a more expensive one, unless you got money to burn or really want that new fancy milling. Has anyone noticed this, or am I just overlooking something? There ought to be that ~$500 gem of a marker.

I was thinking about the next supposed AGD marker, assumably with a hair trigger - I think it's ideal for scenarios, and I have to wonder if it will also fill that hole I was talking about... and maybe be that ~$500 gem.

Thoughts?

[Bad_Dog]

yeah,

That theory would appeal to people on more than one level, even me

[WenULiVeUdiE]

Did you happen to forget about B2k's and Imps? Those are in the 500 range. But yor correct, they isnt much in that range. And due to that lack of markers in the range, everyone just saves and gets the 1k markers.

I really hope it will be less than 900. I think it would be one of the markers that would be worth it's price tag.

[1stdeadeye]

A new Shocker with Vision is around $800 so it is in that tweener catagory.

[teufelhunden]

Getting to my point... I think there is a hole in the market. There's a lot of $300 cheapies, then the 900-$1400 ones. But I don't know of any ~$500 markers that really give you no reason to go out and buy a more expensive one, unless you got money to burn or really want that new fancy milling. Has anyone noticed this, or am I just overlooking something? There ought to be that ~$500 gem of a marker.

Thoughts?

Well, for one, the used $500-900 market is full of Trix's and Timmys. On top of that, Rat Imps can be had for around 500-600. Shockers roll in around 650, no need for any upgrades other than a HE bolt really. B2K w/ PDS is supposed to be decent if you get new regs, which will run like 600-650. Not that I'd let anyone get near it, but a PMI Omen with whatever you want will put you in that range. Evil Pimp is like 800, also supposed to be decent.

There ya go. :)

[Jaremy Rykker]

I guess the one other marker that you could put in the 400-900 range would be the RT-ULE Custom. With the Hair Trigger working with that, I would imagine it would be a very solid and potent marker for that price range, considering that the only thing keeping it from having the rate of fire of the Angels and such is that the trigger pull is rather stiff. If the trigger pull could be made equal, I really have no doubt that the RT-ULE could become a major contender in the scenario market.

-The RT-ULE is the only current marker to use the X-Valve which can shoot at a rate of 26 BPS without any shootdown. It has the potential to be fastest shooting marker, although the stiff mechanical trigger slows down this rate. The Hair Trigger could be the solution to this, allowing the trigger to be walked and have a similiar rate of fire to any high-end electro.

-The RT-ULE and the other Automags used in tournament play are without a doubt some of the most reliable tournament-grade markers. You can spend more time practicing and less time worrying that your marker might not work. Level 10 also is as effective at eliminating chops as any eye or so I understand.

-The RT-ULE is a smaller profile gun, which is nice in tournaments, and is one of the lighter markers out there.

All in all, I can't see why the RT-ULE set up with a hair trigger couldn't be among the best markers for scenario play. And it definately goes into your $400-$900 range.

[RRfireblade]

Well I'd also vote for an Impulse or B2K.

Then perhaps an Omen in that price range.

The reason there's a niche in that area is that it's full of $1000+ used guns that are very often a great deal.Why buy lessor new when you can get much better 'used' or even NIB older models?

[xXHavokXx]

DM4

The end all be all, well till I build my Tunamax inspired hAir Mag

[Miscue]

My understanding from rumor in the chat room is that the NiCad trigger'd mag will be in the neighborhood of $900.

If it could be a full marker with NiCad trigger at $500, oh nellie AGD would be back-ordered indefinitly.

Well, I hope not... and I think that number should be ignored as it is speculation - AGD probably doesn't know yet what the price will be.

Although I'm of course an AGD fan, I would sooner buy a SuperCocker before a $650+ mechanical marker - I'm loyal, but I'm not stupid or wasteful. Personally, I would not bother releasing a mech marker regardless of a hair trigger if you can't sell it for $550 tops in stock condition - you may get AGD enthusiasts to buy it (not me though), but you're not going to attract new customers... it'll flop. So it's an awesome mech, whoopty-doo in the eyes of the consumers out there who will discount it immediately because it's not an electro. "But it's like an electro." "Ok, then why don't I just go buy an electro outright for that price?" "Uh... because... urm..."

A fair mech cannot and will not exceed (note I did not say "match") the ROF of an electro - ever. It will catch attention if it is affordable - and people will be willing to compromise with it not being a cheater e-gun. People will buy a mech marker as a compromise - so it needs to be priced to accommodate this. This will not be the "first-choice" purchase, it will be bought because they can't afford the $900+ markers - or like me, just don't want to spend that much. $500 super mech = hotcake potential - and then make your money on mid/high margin upgrades. If you build it, they will upgrade it and spend mad dough on stuff to "trick it out!"

You have to take into consideration that you're not the only game in town, and historically the other companies have been kicking your butt in sales. Asides from wishful thinking, why would a $650+ mech marker from AGD sell?

[Miscue]

Well, for one, the used $500-900 market is full of Trix's and Timmys. On top of that, Rat Imps can be had for around 500-600. Shockers roll in around 650, no need for any upgrades other than a HE bolt really. B2K w/ PDS is supposed to be decent if you get new regs, which will run like 600-650. Not that I'd let anyone get near it, but a PMI Omen with whatever you want will put you in that range. Evil Pimp is like 800, also supposed to be decent.

There ya go. :)

Well, the used situation throws a monkey wrench into it. Regardless, I'd rather have a new gun for $500 that is as good as the used ones out there. Buying used has it's drawbacks.

[teufelhunden]

Eh, buying used has its ups and downs. Hence, feedback and third parties like www.seckspb.com [/shamelessplug]

[Miscue]

I think just the hair trigger alone is supposed to run around $300. I dont think your going to hit the bottom of the $400 for the marker with the hair trigger.

And marketing-wise, youll have a hard time selling a mechanical marker at $900 when there is a perceived value that the electro is a better value.

Exactly. People don't dump $900 into mech cockers anymore, which are more popular than mags. $650 = E-Bladed Cocker.

[jesseyo13]

[bokraham]

omens
impulses
shockers
new speeds and a4s are less than 900 at www.firstcallpaintball.com
cyborg
cockers

these are all mid/midhigh priced guns that can dish alot

[ghideon]

I'm in the same position as you at the moment. I've got an EMag, an RT ULE, and a VSC Phantom. As soon as PayPal clears the $$$, Logic will be shiping me out an E-Bladed Freeflow cocker. I'd take a look at those. Life time warranty (doesn't matter if it's new or used). I did look at the Superstock cockers, as well as the NightKast's and the Karnivores. Everyone here at AO recommended I go with FreeFlow. So that's what I'm doing.