If I were to get a non-AGD marker

[jesseyo13]

I think 650 is too much. Why are you going to spend 650 when you can get impys for 550 with eyes? For the hAIR mag to do well it needs to be below 500. People dont seem to get it. The mag needs to prove it self again. Look at pbn, most people dont like mags. Who cares what they think you say? They make up what most people think, therfore they matter a lot more than what we think as agd fans. To prove it self agd needs to offer everything everybody else does for the same price or less. Most people dont want a pf body, they want low rise. So that has to come with every mag. Every electro comes with a double trigger frame, so does the mag.

Heres what every electro has in a mag form without the hAIR

Select an X-Valve : Black
Select a Mainbody : ULE CF Pewter Mainbody
Select a Barrel : No Barrel
Trigger/Valve/On/Off Type : ULE Trigger Pull Kit/Installed
Delivery Signature : Signature on Delivery
Freight Insurance : Insurance =$380.00
380+300=682
380+350=732

So a mag with the hair trigger will run about 682-732. I hate to say it, but I would rather have a impulse for 550 than a hAIR mag for 680. I hope tom has more sence than to try to sell the hAIR for 500+ because its just not gona happen.

[ilikePB]

Just adding another marker to the midrange price, the AM Diadem, it's supposedly a pretty sweet gun for the price. I also might be picking up a FF cocker instead of a DevilMag that I hoped for because I found a good deal on a used one and would rather save a couple hundred dollars. Hopefully I can get a DevilMag later. Personally I'd buy a hAir trigger RT ULE Pro for $500-$600. Compared to what guns are in that price range it would be just as fast, have an anti chop device, but it would be more reliable most likely. My .02

[trevorjk]

you dont need a ult for the hairframe... and whats so grat about eyes when u got lx

[teufelhunden]

Because eyes don't let the marker cycle if there's nothing there, LX still cycles and therefore lowers your bps further and wastes air.

[GT]

and I don't quite understand where they put $1400 worth of stuff (including a reasonable profit). I will not buy a $1000+ marker - because I think it's a waste... even if I had the cash in hand.?

'scue,
come on you should know this from hanging around here on AO. There is very rarly a big difference bewteen a 700 dollar gun and a 1400 dollar one. Infact the only difference is really a fancy mill and anno. Its been that way for years now.

How much would I spend on a e fast mech gun, the same as an e gun. Problem is ROF is not the only thing I look for when buying a new rig. Fast, Light, relible, and effiencent.

Problem,
I dont think the hair trigger is going to be cheap. I have this idea, however unfounded, that it is going to cost bewteen 2-300 bucks.

Its hard to bring a mech to the market that requires a certian amount of tunning when you can buy an e gun that is insanly fast and shoot a case on one fill.

[Miscue]

'scue,
come on you should know this from hanging around here on AO. There is very rarly a big difference bewteen a 700 dollar gun and a 1400 dollar one. Infact the only difference is really a fancy mill and anno. Its been that way for years now.

Yeah, I know!

I find it ironic how it costs more money to have material removed in strategic locations, ending up with 'less' gun! Being pretty ain't cheap I guess.

[Lurker27]

It's all about the older angels...throw chaos/ACE on them, and you've got essentially an A4 fly in the neighborhood of $350.

I picked up a 99 LED for $220.

If it doesn't work like you hoped out of the box, send it for gold service at TAG. Comes back not needing to be TOUCHED for the next 30 cases or so.

In the mag market, the answer, I'd think, is to simply build your own Pneu-mag/Hair trigger.
If you look hard enough, its not that tough, and cocker pneumatics are a dime a dozen. Stock LPR and Rams houdl cost you $20 or so, and you can either rig up a simple E-valve or do a small 3-way style valve.

[Blazestorm]

A stock impulse is a POS.

This is a FULLY UPGRADED Mag for 650-700. You will not need another upgrade for it. Unless you want to remove weight or add an adjustable neck. The Impulse is 550, with 0 upgrades, and those things are crap stock.

The hAir is worth it for 250-300. It's a fully mechanical frame with the pull of an electro. No batteries, no electronics, no bounce, no ramping nothing.

Miscue : Get whatever you want man or Instead... come up to the NW for a huge AO day, our field is lending us airball bunkers to setup how we want, and we get the field for the day. If their AM team isn't practicing we can setup a 10man field, otherwise we'll be doing a 5-7man field

[Steelrat]

I can't believe no one else has mentioned it, but the Viking WAS the best mid level electro out there. Fast, reliable, simple, and efficient. What else could you want. Too bad they were KIA, but at least they are so tough that you will be able to find them on the used market for a looong time. Great ones are going for $700-800 or so.

But if I didnt shoot an AKA gun, Id be all over an eblade cocker.

[Digits]

some of you people don't get it..

The DM4's/Alias's are the best of the best.. The cream of the crop.. You can go around talking about how you can hook up an impulse/b2k4 for alot less and have it shoot as good.. But I know for a fact an out of the box DM4 will shoot BETTER then any hooked up impulse.. Believe me.. My brothers nasty imp was hooked up to the max.. All of the best parts, every ND upgrade you can imagine.. And it still sucked for what he paid for everything..

Now you pay the same 1400 for a DM4 out of the box, that performs substantially better then a completly upped impy..

See theres the difference..

You buy an imp with eyes for 400 or w/e.. Fine.. But it is going to cost you ALOT of money do get that imp shooting even half decent.. A DM4 out of the box, shoots perfect.. The only upgrade you need is a chip.. And that is only if you are flat out looking for something to upgrade on the gun.. Effeciency could be better.. But the only people who complain are the chumps who are stuck at fields without all day air..

So basically.. When you pay 1400$'s for that DM4.. You know your getting the best.. You know that gun will perform out of this world without a single upgrade done to it..

Now you want a cheaper gun? Fine.. Get one.. But it will never perform as good..

[Steelrat]

some of you people don't get it..

The DM4's/Alias's are the best of the best.. The cream of the crop.. You can go around talking about how you can hook up an impulse/b2k4 for alot less and have it shoot as good.. But I know for a fact an out of the box DM4 will shoot BETTER then any hooked up impulse.. Believe me.. My brothers nasty imp was hooked up to the max.. All of the best parts, every ND upgrade you can imagine.. And it still sucked for what he paid for everything..

Now you pay the same 1400 for a DM4 out of the box, that performs substantially better then a completly upped impy..

See theres the difference..

You buy an imp with eyes for 400 or w/e.. Fine.. But it is going to cost you ALOT of money do get that imp shooting even half decent.. A DM4 out of the box, shoots perfect.. The only upgrade you need is a chip.. And that is only if you are flat out looking for something to upgrade on the gun.. Effeciency could be better.. But the only people who complain are the chumps who are stuck at fields without all day air..

So basically.. When you pay 1400$'s for that DM4.. You know your getting the best.. You know that gun will perform out of this world without a single upgrade done to it..

Now you want a cheaper gun? Fine.. Get one.. But it will never perform as good..

Thats more opinion than fact. DM4s and Alias's are nice, but they arent the "best of the best." There are a good number of guns at the upper levels now.

I do agree about guns that need upgrades, however. Its best to invest in a gun that rips right out of the box, rather than one that needs a huge list of upgrades to perform. But the player with a limited budget can get the cheaper gun, then steadily upgrade it as resources become available.

[Digits]

^^

thats true..

But still.. I've never seen a completly upped imp shoot half as good as a DM4..

But...

There are still deffinetly competable guns sort of in the mid range..

Used trix's with eyes, and vikings, are easilly contendors..

[Steelrat]

^^

thats true..

But still.. I've never seen a completly upped imp shoot half as good as a DM4..

But...

There are still deffinetly competable guns sort of in the mid range..

Used trix's with eyes, and vikings, are easilly contendors..

Well, no matter how much crap you put on it, you can't make a civic into a Ferrari

I have yet to shoot a gun that is any better than the viking. Sometimes I wonder why the price difference between an alias or DM4 and the viking exists. Is it the aesthetic virtues of the Bob Long and DYE stuff that warrants a premium?

[Blazestorm]

I forgot where Tom said it...

"Dye could make a pile of crap and sell millions... and Tippmann can get away with selling only Black guns..."

Something like that...

DM4's and Alias's are nice, but they're too common, and too overused. I go to the field and all I see are alias's and Dm4's

Actually playing woodsball I found ONE guy with a phantom, some right-feed cockers... even one e-cocker that was not a race, sandridge, eblade, worr-blade, or hyper-frame... it was one-of-a-kind (and looked good)

I like to have a gun that no one else has, when I'm done with my mag, it will be the nicest, lightest, fastest (legal) mechanical marker. It will be unique, and my own gun. I won't have an alias or Dm4 like everyone else.

[Skoad]

everyone saying the only reason why people buy the high end electros are because "you can cheat with them" are completely ignorant