Karnivor or DM4

[Linkwarner]

or just keep the mag,
X-valve
and the Deadly Wind Hair trigger when it comes out.
and you will be able to play with the high end electros

[Skoad]

well if he is planning on selling his mag and "saving" up for a new gun, I would most definately go for the DM4. Most likely by the time he has the $ there will be a DM4 price drop. Within a few or more months there will be a couple more aftermarket dm4s that could drive the price down....

[Steelrat]

Well, Im giving the DM4 a try because its operation fascinates me. I think that most problems attributed to it stem from poor maintenance. And as for the price, I have found barely used DM4s from reputable sellers going for under $1100, so dont base it just on price.

Forget the accuracy talk, thats just crap. Accuracy is a function of consistency and paint. The Karnivore beats the DM4 in efficency, though the DM4 isnt THAT horrible, and hopefully the aftermarket bolt kits for it will be released soon to address this issue. I only shot one DM4, with essentially a stock trigger setup, and it was plenty fast. I also liked the feel of it. The weight difference isnt that big a deal, especially when you factor in the hopper, paint, tank, air, etc etc. As for the Karni coming with a kit, thats because the cockers need a kit. A DM4 user can get by with a one-size-fits-all barrel, though its always nice to have a match.

If you decide on a cocker, though, id recommend a freeflow, jackal, or nexus cocker ahead of the karni. In fact, id recommend waiting for the guns using the new Eblade frame.

[GotMag?]

who cares about gass efficiency, you drop 1400 big ones on a gun and all-day air is too expensive for you?

thast reall y wierd, as for karni vids go to PBVIDS.com it is a very good site and you can find a video of lots o fdifferent guns shooting

[Enemy]

he started a new thread the efficiency makes a difference when you are playing a tourny and you run out of air or are forced to carry a bigger tank cuz your efficiency is so poor that you cant squeeze off 1500 shots...trust me i would like it if my back man could pull that off instead of him being like i can only shoot 1200 with that in retro spect im still saying viking!!!

[GotMag?]

ummm instead of buying a bigger tank you could just um...............................go get air?

might be a stupid idea

[gorymonkey2]

a post a little way up was talking about how it would take more time for the maintanance of a cocker but were you referring to the karnivor or cocker in general, many people say that "it's not like any other cocker." I also saw a vid of one on pbvids.com hitting over 25bps!!! it was insane a stock karni. I have heard from a lot of people that getting a freeflow or nexus would be better, but what could you do to a karni that hasn't already been done, i've left a large amount of error on my side here so correct me if i'm wrong but seriously, if there is anything, i'll just get the karni and buy whatever upgrades.

[RES=Mr.Green]

Your right theres nothing more you can do to the Karni except re-anno it. Like I said before it has an internal pump rod for the back block and the rear velocity adjustment has been removed and now you use the vert regulator. The only thing I've heard people not like is the -15 degree ASA. Rumor has it though that WGP or someone else will be making a normal 15 degree ASA. The bad thing about the Karni is its pretty gun specific. The only thing you can use of a normal cocker is the pnumatics

[thump]

your dad wont let you get a second marker because he said theat ,,if the gun you would buy wasent reliable enought that he wouldnt let you.
well the next time his car breaksdown point out to him that he wouldnt need a second car,,or rides from friends while his car is getting fixed if the car he bought was reliable!
the point is,,no matter how good/reliaboe a product is there is always a chance it will break down at some point in time,,,the reliable part is just HOW OFTEN it breaks down.

oh,,and get the DM4!

[WenULiVeUdiE]

The Kaner Kit no longer comes with the Karni, or at least WGP will stop including them in the near future. It was simple promotion of the kit and was a special "deal" that they stopped doing. I'd go with a Karni over the dm4. Dm4's are all to common and the Karnivore is just so strait forward. Also, you dont have to buy a new bolt kit for it to get better efficency or anything. Try them both out and see what you like best. Also, dont forgot that more people know more about cocker than they do about dm4's. So if you had a karni and it broke down, you;d have a better chance of getting it fixed. Hope this helps.

[845]

i've come to a decision that i will sell my mag and save up to buy a dm4 or a karni, the problem is that i don't know which one to buy.

my pros and cons of each are as follows
dm4
pros
- sexy
- really fast (as seen on vids)
- adjustable trigger (how adjustable is it)
cons
- 1400 bucks
- common (everybody has them)
- bad gas efficiency

karnivor
pros
- hot
- i don't know how fast (can't find any vids)
- only $1150
- very gas efficient
- comes with full kaner kit
- does it have an adjustable trigger?
cons
- none just coming from me

has anyone shot either or both? could you give me a good review or them please and any advice would help and even better some vids of the karni, i've only seen one and they didn't really shoot it much. Please help me.

Shoot both guns and see which one you like better and I wouldnt let air efficiency effect your choice because as long as you put a 68/45 on the gun and fill after each game you wont be running out of air unless your playing a scenario.

They both have completely different feels you really have to try them yourself.

[magman007]

well it seems your heart is set on the karnivore. Just think, you will have very little resale value and even less when the eblade 2 comes out. Cocker resale sucks ***.

also, you will be using an inferrior eblade, once the e2 comes out. the eblade is already inferrior to the race frame... and the e2 ws being developed when the ebade was relased. Its up to you, but im still reccomending the dm4, it is a better marker all around

[SlipknotX556]

Ok, let me start off by saying, that I to was looking for a back up gun, yes I had my eyes looking towards a karnivore. Now magman told me about the DM4, I said I had to test one and see how it felt with me, well I held one at my local shop, it felt amazing, but I still had to shoot one and play with it. So I went and did just that. But first, I have the chance to play 3 games with a karnivore, now this thing, has a very bad trigger pull, the kick on it was extreme, I didnt like the way the foregrip was, it felt un natural, but the ROF was decent. Now that same day, I had the chance to play with a dm4, let me tell you this thing is a almost flawless design, the only thing they need to fix is how efficent it is. The ROF was much much better then the karnivore, it felt better, just the way the DM4 looks, is superior to the karnivore. But in the end it all up to you, what YOU want. I am just trying to help you go in the right direction.

[845]

Magman just made a good point about resale value.

[logamus]

if the choice is dm4 or karni, i say dm4. however, i would suggest that you look into a dye matrix (dm3) instead. you can still find evolve bolts out there that will get you almost 2k shots off a 68/45. to me, there is little to no difference in speed between the regular trix and dm4 and its the same basic design. you could save quite a bit of cash by getting the "lesser" version but still mow suckers all day long.

if you havent shot an ebladed cocker yet i suggest you do that. the kick that they produce is amazing, i dont know how anyone can say they are more accurate.