Looks like Glen Palmer might throw his hat in ...

[Ghost2867]

and just to be sure I understand you correctly, does WORR have the right to stop System X, et all, from calling their markers Autocockers?

actually, systemX no longer calls any of their markers autocockers any more...

in fact, the only time the word "autococker" is used on their website at all is when they were referring to autococker barrel threads, a cocker cocking rod, and the xonik frame, which fits on cockers.

and on topic...i hope this doesnt get ugly, and go to court...:|

[slasherdan]

What do you mean nothing?!?!!?!

Nothing. We can't help unless we have money and lawyers.

Just supported Glen with about a 2k purchase. Been saving the money for a long time and now the the child is here I have to get rid of it fast before the wife takes away my Palmer fund ....

So you can chalk me up for my Pump, Hurricane, and Squall ..... And I have two more pumps to send in still.....

[Paladin]

On behalf of the whole crew at PPS. Thank you for your support.

[slasherdan]

On a good day ...

On behalf of the whole crew at PPS. Thank you for your support.

Gonna be giving ya some more soon. And when my team sees everything you've done for me I'm positive they'll send in their 68's as well ....

Do I get a finders fee?!?!?!?

Hey ... sometimes I support better than a sports bra!!!!

[Ghost2867]

Worr4Life707: "And the AUTOCOCKER is not rightfully glenn palmers you idiot, when will you all learn. the design of the autococker is completely different then ANY of glenns markers.

And how is Glenn Palmer going to sue K2? K2 makes MULTI Billlions of dollars, glenn palmer makes jack diddly squat.

And he cant sue, because HE doesnt have any patents, nor anything that looks remotely like Bud Orr's autococker. "

and this post made in another thread that i didnt see by BigMan: "palmer didnt create the AutoCocker the idea of using pnuematics was and alot of his stuff does resemble the AutoCocker. Most of you guys who haven't owned a pre '00 Cocker don't know that the Cocker originally used Palmer stuff, but no matter what Palmer makes there is 1 down side, he's an engineer all his stuff looks like ****, he doesn't have a designers eye..."

it doesnt look like many ppl are that worried...

[WARPED1]

Too bad that guys wrong. Sure, Glenns didn't look like todays cocker, but every component of the pneus was stolen from Glenns prototype, that was allegedly stolen from Glenns luggage by Jeff Orr. Shortly after, wOrr released the first cocker.

[Ghost2867]

its not that hes right or wrong, but its more than ppl in the wgp community arent worried...in any case, i support what glenn palmer is trying to do.

[Kevmaster]

GP:

I'm not sure Orr did invent the sniper. That was my understanding, but as you may know, I'm a bit young to go back to the days when the Sniper (or heck, for that matter, I'm almost too young to remember the first angel) came out.

Anyways, I certainly agree that ethically you are right. Orr/K2 has no reason to go after AMP for their so called infringement on the trademarks. I agree 100% with you there. I think I now see much clearer what you are saying and what you believe. And I agree. I do think, though, that your letter does not convey that as clearly as you have articulated yourself here. Again, its always great to talk to you and I hope that things do end up going your way as the lawsuit follows.

~Kev


oh, PS: Ghost: The reason Sys X (and the others) doesnt call their marker a cocker is because Orr told them they couldn't call their markers cockers. They were called Autocockers when they first started making cocker-copies. I was just asking that question to see more clearly where Glenn was coming from.

[WARPED1]

Kev, the action against AM is one thing, but did you hear K2/WGP is going after every manufacturer of cocker clones to stop making them or face litigation?

[Paladin]

No, my guns don't look like AutoCockers but The automation system setup is nearly identical and in some cases the internals of the components used on early 'cockers are micrometer duplicates of parts used on the paintgun pictured in the attachment.
101 was seen in public for over a year before the first functional WGP attempt and has resides in Australia since the spring of '91.
Please note the sliding trigger and placement of the 4-way. That gun's older brother was a double with all the automation components mounted out front.
Oh, and I'm not an engineer but I am a 3rd generation gun smith. Was a military weapons technician, with a Master rating before I was 18, then added a 15 year background in automation systems for comercial/industrial doors before I started doing paintball full time.
Didn't have a whole lot of experience with machining or reverse engineering though.

[WARPED1]

Didn't have a whole lot of experience with machining or reverse engineering though.

ROFLMAO! I wonder who you possibly are talkin about!?

[slasherdan]

Here we go ...

Worr4Life707: "And the AUTOCOCKER is not rightfully glenn palmers you idiot, when will you all learn. the design of the autococker is completely different then ANY of glenns markers.

And how is Glenn Palmer going to sue K2? K2 makes MULTI Billlions of dollars, glenn palmer makes jack diddly squat.

And he cant sue, because HE doesnt have any patents, nor anything that looks remotely like Bud Orr's autococker. "

and this post made in another thread that i didnt see by BigMan: "palmer didnt create the AutoCocker the idea of using pnuematics was and alot of his stuff does resemble the AutoCocker. Most of you guys who haven't owned a pre '00 Cocker don't know that the Cocker originally used Palmer stuff, but no matter what Palmer makes there is 1 down side, he's an engineer all his stuff looks like ****, he doesn't have a designers eye..."

it doesnt look like many ppl are that worried...

Looks like Woor4Life and Bigman are clearly Cocker fans. Nothing wrong with that. But they continue to ignore the fact that this isn't who "owns" the autococker. It's an issue of the internals.

As for the grounds of patents .... there is a way around them ... It's called Intellectual Rights. If Worr purchased the rights off Glenn or made him sign a "non-compete" form then there is really nothing Glenn could do. But that isn't the case.

Either way, I don't think Glen would step out and send this letter if he didn't have his "ducks in a row". He's not going after them or sueing them. He's just letting them know that their house of cards isn't as stacked as they like to think.