Looks like Glen Palmer might throw his hat in ...

[Paladin]

Glenn could really no more sue them than they could clone manufacturers.

Actually, that is not entirely accurate. I do have a few options of litigation available to me in that regard as the terms "Intellectual Property", Intelectual Capacity and "propriatary technoligies" have been made a significant part of their case.
There are others that have been infinged on as well and one company that may not even know it, yet.

He knows this but his intent seems to be to inform K2/WGP that if push comes to shove, he has the proof to make them back down......

That's about the size of it.

[Paladin]

Glenn, did Colin do his AutoSpirit before or after Bud did the Cocker ?

After.

[Igotu]

My prayers are with you glenn.

[G3PB]

After.

That's what I thought, thanks......I have two of those old things. It was lots of fun to hose them until they fell apart

[G3PB]

Actually, that is not entirely accurate. I do have a few options of litigation available to me in that regard as the terms "Intellectual Property", Intelectual Capacity and "propriatary technoligies" have been made a significant part of their case.
There are others that have been infinged on as well and one company that may not even know it, yet.

Ok, I can see that, sure. They have no right to claim it if it was not theirs to begin with. That's my problem. I'm still sitting on my release letter from K2. I admit to the trademark violations, but I'm having a hard time admitting to something I did not do; so I'm not sure what I'll do with it.

[Muzikman]

That's what I thought, thanks......I have two of those old things. It was lots of fun to hose them until they fell apart

Wait, you have two AutoSpirits? Wanna sell one?

[Paladin]

Personally, I don't see much validity in their trademarks either because they (WGP) didn't coin the terms in the first place. However, I'm not qualified to offer legal advise on such matters.
I would consider editing that release letter into something that you are comfortable with and send it along.

[G3PB]

Personally, I don't see much validity in their trademarks either because they (WGP) didn't coin the terms in the first place. However, I'm not qualified to offer legal advise on such matters.
I would consider editing that release letter into something that you are comfortable with and send it along.

That's what I was thinking...crossing out the parts I feel do not apply.....

[G3PB]

Wait, you have two AutoSpirits? Wanna sell one?

The only one I'd be willing to sell is not totally complete. Missing parts are easy to get. It's missing the front pneumatics, timing rod, ram clevis (have to be made), cocking screws, barrel, and the front shroud. Oh, and you'd have to make the wire detent and come up with a detent screw and a few others.....so I basically have the body, complete grip frame, front block, and most internals.....oh yeah, I used the valve in another gun. Power tubes are avasilable but you'll have to dig up the nut and the cup seal. And I still wouldn't take less than $250.00 for it

[PaintballSmurf13]

Smart Parts all over again is all I can say... Palmer's is a great shop and it would kill me to see WGP and K2 somehow win this, as EVERYONE knows that HE is in fact the creator of auto-cocking guns.
-Ryan

also... I plan on getting a Stroker built eventually

[MiniSpdRcr]

Well since I am also on WGP I also added this topic on their forums. Most of them agree with what we have been saying here.

The WGP posts here

[GT]

I am sorry guys but right and wrong have little to do with each other in this case. Its pretty simple, take the small guy to court untill he runs out of money and closes up shop.

Heck,
Tom even has a few patents that would have saved a few companys' bacon if they had been protected since day one. To late lesson learned lets not let it happen again.

[Paladin]

Right and wrong, is the only part of it as far as I'm concerned.
What is going on now is just plain WRONG and I feel obliged to try to help it be a little more RIGHT for almost everyone involved.
I've just never been one to stand by and let WRONG go unchallenged when I have the means to do something about it.

[BlackHalo]

The definition

Sounds about right to me

Right and wrong, is the only part of it as far as I'm concerned.
What is going on now is just plain WRONG and I feel obliged to try to help it be a little more RIGHT for almost everyone involved.
I've just never been one to stand by and let WRONG go unchallenged when I have the means to do something about it.

a leading champion of a cause

Sorry, I don't suck up normally but I just heard my MGMO Hurricane is on it's way out so I'm a little happy.

[dyeguy65]

Wow... now I have a little more insite to the matter.. I'm starting to reconsider my stance on autocockers. Damn should have bought that ULE when I was considering my purchases or the blazer. Hmmm might have an '03 VF cocker for sale soon. I knew there was some backstabbing in this industry. But I have never known the extent of it. Been playing for 18 years and I'm still learning something every day. Give them hell Glenn.

totally unnecissary(sp) to reconsider your stance on autocockers. dont consider this as being another smart parts issue. glenn is just standing up for what is technically his. he isnt snide and kaniving(sp)its not like every autococker now is infected with K2 evilness

go get em Glenn