No offense Josh, but...

[Smoke]

That is 1stdeadeye.

[Mango]

IN for the email notes...

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[cphilip]

I think I will just ignore this for the most part.

The Refs did not report any cheating to me. And we had very little problems. I didn't see any nor did anyone report any to me. We had one temper tantrum from a local team guy. We kicked him out. I did not see any score sheets with any penalties for playing on or anything. Very little. Pretty much a very well behaved bunch from what I can tell.

I don't agree with Josh on that one. I think its an exageration for press purposes. I will leave it at that.

[barberjohn]

i say we take his picture down off the top banner and put mine in place .

[coyote]

I have never intentionally played through a break.

That being said, I will question a ref when I don't know I have been hit. This is for my benefit, for the following reasons

1) I want to make sure I clean it off before the next game.

2) I want to know who got an angle on me and how. I used to keep a notebook of the hits I took. I would include the reason I got hit. Some were acceptable, if I took a high risk move for instance. If the hit was unnacceptable I made sure I practiced tactics to avoid taking the same hit again.

3) Make sure a teammate didn't shoot me. (It happens people)

I will venture to say that in every instance I questioned the ref it could be seen as arguing. It wasn't. I have always tryed my best to let officials know this. I will explain myself after a game to the ref. Generally we understand that the elevated abrupt communication that happens on the field can easily be misinterpretted. I don't get upset for the ref yelling at me. I try to make the point that I need that same courtesy. that is just the way paintball is played.

The fact of the matter is perception is a persons reality. A bystander can look at what goes on and see me as a cheat and a loudmouth. I simply want to play the best game I can. If that makes me a cheat I strive to be the most honest cheat on the field.

I have played through hits on my headgear that I never felt and no one else called. I have found hits on kneepads that got missed. I have found my opponents paint in the creases of my pack. Had i known they were there I would have ended my game.

I will offer this as a closing thought. I am imperfect, as is every other player. If you seek to brand a player a cheat because of one or 2 misteps you had best look in the mirror. As sure as the sun will rise the pot and the kettle both call each other black.

[WARPED1]

Truth hurts I guess.................

[punkncat]

Good post Coyote...mistakes happen .

I feel that the picture in question could be taken out of context. I wonder about the motives of this guy as to why he would write up an article basically slamming an AO event , when he(supposedly) didn't have anything bad to say while he was there ? I think the writer may have embellished for a better read.

Honestly , I don't know any of the people involved , I just feel like if the event was just slightly better than being "poked in the eye with a sharp stick" why not say something there ? It would be a really chicken- - - - thing to do , being the person whom is writing a nationaly released article not to mention to someone that he was having a bad time. Or as the quote infers , being privy to the worst cheating this side of the pro circuit.

[cphilip]

Truth hurts I guess.................

I guess if it were the truth...

Missrepresentation hurts more. Spreading exagerated false impressions over the net is hurtfull and I fail to understand why it happened. It saddens me. I don't think I personaly want to be involved in any more of these events that can be portrayed like this anymore. I am dissapointed in what I am seeing here and I am certainly not going to open myself or my Clemson people to such irrational, mean spirited "press" by bringing people together were one person can take something out of context and ruin the entire thing for everyone by taking one particular moment and portraying it as the entire thing. If Mr Silverman wants to do this he can find another target. I don't play these kind of games with peoples reputations. And I will not expose them to it again.

[RusskiX]

How about we let Josh and 1DE post before anyone else blows this out of proportion...

[cphilip]

How about we let Josh and 1DE post before anyone else blows this out of proportion...

I don't have to. It's my event and an attack on me... He went further than attack 1DE. He went on to paint a nasty picture of the whole thing. A giant leap of illogic but none the less its there. And it comes from someone who I considered a friend and who had nothing but good to say about it up until this. Came out of left field this last statement and its now a public gaffaw. The harm has been done. And it's been done to me.

Thats my last comment on it. Ever.

[tyrion2323]

Here are my thoughts:

Josh has proven (at least in my opinion) his dedication to both AO and AGD. While what he said was harsh, perhaps he has a point. I've many times watched friends and non-friends play on with hits. I've called them out (from the sidelines) and sometimes they leave and sometimes they don't.

To CPhilip: I don't think that he meant it as a personal attack on you. Sure, I wouldn't have gone to the lengths of saying that AOers cheat as much as proteams; however, he witnessed what he witnessed. I understand why you take it personally, but I highly doubt that he meant it that way.

Anyways, let's let both of them post and see what REALLY happened.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

if i remember correctly i think 1de explained to us in one thread that he didnt feel those hits (i mean he is a big guy and paint can be soft and brittle sometimes)

[TDonovan]

I wouldn't worry about it too much. It really is possible to NOT feel hits. I don't feel mine all the time and I only wear a thin tshirt and often shorts.

If he DID cheat, well that's not exactly good, but I wouldn't pass judgement on em. Everyone can goof once in a while.

On a side note, I get dirty looks from people who think I wipe on occasion. But really all I do is tap the hit with 2 fingers to let people know i felt something (ref can check) and to comfirm a hit or bounce if i feel paint.

[1stdeadeye]

Yes, That was me!!!

However that was in the game against DDT. I made a move up the tapeline. Josh was not a ref in that game, but taking pictures. As I made my way up the tape, I lit him up pretty good as I thought he was playing until he raised his camera.

When Nick hit me, I did not feel it or see it. So when I was called out I simply asked where. When told I left right away. I do not play on nor do I cheat. Ask anyone who plays with me, that is not what I do.

That kind of pisses me off that Josh would write that. Like I said, as soon as it was pointed out to me, I left the field immediatly. Refs are there to ensure a fair game, as you don't see or feel every hit.

At NJ AO III, a lot of people will remember me being shot out during the tourny by a Stud Squad member with a pump. It hit the cargo pocket of my bdus and broke. I didn't feel it ir see it. Neither did Danz. A ref saw it, called me out and I left. End of story. I got a boat load of grief not for playing on, but for losing a snap shooting duel with my X to his pump.

I am sorry I lit you up Josh, but the above story is bs!!!!!

[1stdeadeye]

Sometimes the truth hurts...

I could care less who the person is in the picture and if Silverman is being truthful in saying that the guy argued back about being hit, then he has pretty decent reason to make such statements if he was seeing similar incidents throughout the day.

As a general statement, people that argue about being hit with the ref need to shut up and get the F off the field. Just one of those things that really irritates me about paintball players that think they can see more than the refs.

First off Silverman was not a ref!!!!!!!

Second I did not argue! I shouted back accross the field as was about 30 or 40 yards away "Where?" He told me , I saw it and then left. I did not play on!

If he took my yelling one question back at him as argueing, he is way to sensitive. Also, there was a ref on my side of the field and it was not Josh! We hashed this out last year in the AO SC thread. Dayspring was the one who shot me and he was satisfied that I went out as soon as I was called on the arm shot! That is a great picture of a hit, but making a story more dramtic then it was to go with it is BS!!!