No offense Josh, but...

[1stdeadeye]

omfg black is the right.

I've actually never had a ref yell at me to get out, a ref rather checks me and calls me out, I walk out and get bonus-balled a few times, or I get shot, I check myself and walk-out.

It's paintball guys, there will always be more games to play, If you get shot, you're out. There shouldn't be a grey area "Oh I shot him first" both people should leave, if you want to pull a sloppy bunker move and try to stay alive, you deserve to be out, you rather do it right, or not at all... if you want to stay in the game that is...

Or maybe a NON REF calls you out and you can ask where?

Once shown, I left immediatly and did not argue. Asking a spectator where is hardly an arguement!

JOSH WAS NOT A REF EVEN THOUGH HE SAID HE WAS IN HIS ARTICLE!!!!

[1stdeadeye]

Now I am really mad!

Nick (Dayspring) called me out. I yelled "Where?" He yelled "Deadeye you're gone on your arm!" I looked and left.

Josh was in the rear stand-up by the field entrance and I was on the 50. I even apologized to Josh when I left the field for lighting him up.

[Creative Mayhem]

I'm not taking sides as I know both Scott and Josh are without a doubt , stand up guys. I will simply say that mistakes happen and you don't always feel hits, I know it has happened to me in the past. All I know is that at SCAO, I had no issues other than getting shot in the back by one of my Drunken Fury teamates(prolly what I get for playing with fellow drunkards ), nor did I witness or hear of any cheating, playing on, or misbehavior(other than the local guy)

For the record, I have nothing but love for Josh and his articles and fantastic pictures, and on the same token, Scott is a great guy and good friend, I think this is just a case of misinterrpretation in the heat of playing. Like I said before... mistakes happen.


One more thing... Why can't we all just get along?!?!

[Muzikman]

[shartley]

[Thordic]

Josh got banned from IAO for being blatantly honest. He calls it as he sees it, he doesn't lighten up just to be nice.

If he wrote it like that, thats how he saw it. Not saying his viewpoint was the most accurate or not, I wasn't there.

Also, not in relation to this incident, but I've seen playing on at AO days. Not as much as I've seen at some tournaments, but I've seen plenty of it.

[Muzikman]

Josh got banned from IAO for being blatantly honest. He calls it as he sees it, he doesn't lighten up just to be nice.

If he wrote it like that, thats how he saw it. Not saying his viewpoint was the most accurate or not, I wasn't there.

Also, not in relation to this incident, but I've seen playing on at AO days. Not as much as I've seen at some tournaments, but I've seen plenty of it.

Well, if you are comparing NJAO and SEAO, they are different events. This year being my first year at an NJ event but, just hearing about the niteHawk incident from last year, I can tell ya they are different events. Like I said, I was watching most of the games and saw no cheating at all. That is not saying it wasn't there, but it was not something I saw.

[1ofkind]

This is why you should shoot people atleast 2 times. Who cares if they *female dog* at you?

[Thordic]

I'm talkin about any AO event. The incident with lee wasn't about playing on anyway, it was about over-shooting if I remember correctly.

Playing on happens. Doesn't matter who you are playing with. A large portion of the time I'm sure the player doesn't even know it. A few times I've come off the field and found hits on my pack or on some part of my clothes that I didn't know was there.

And that happens whether you are playing in NJ, SC, or Zimbabwe.

And sometimes, when you are caught up in the game, you tend to be loud. Not because you need to yell, but because you have your adrenaline pumping.

Now imagine you are on the sidelines, and you just got lit up by some guy by accident. He is running towards you, and you see a hit on him. You tell him hes out, and he yells back "WHERE AM I HIT?". Now, you are already probably a little pissed that you got shot, and now the guy is yelling at you. You aren't playing in the game, so your adrenaline isn't pumping, and the yelling seems directed at you, rather than a function of the game.

Does the situation seem a little different now?

[bofh]

And that happens whether you are playing in NJ, SC, or Zimbabwe.

Sweet! AO Zimbabwe! Who's in?

[Muzikman]

Eh, I hadn't see this type of situation at either SEAO or TexBall. As a matter of fact, they were begging teams to cheat just so there would be a penalty. If I am not mistaken it was Miscue that got it:)

[Tunaman]

I'm talkin about any AO event. The incident with lee wasn't about playing on anyway, it was about over-shooting if I remember correctly.

Playing on happens. Doesn't matter who you are playing with. A large portion of the time I'm sure the player doesn't even know it. A few times I've come off the field and found hits on my pack or on some part of my clothes that I didn't know was there.

And that happens whether you are playing in NJ, SC, or Zimbabwe.

And sometimes, when you are caught up in the game, you tend to be loud. Not because you need to yell, but because you have your adrenaline pumping.

Now imagine you are on the sidelines, and you just got lit up by some guy by accident. He is running towards you, and you see a hit on him. You tell him hes out, and he yells back "WHERE AM I HIT?". Now, you are already probably a little pissed that you got shot, and now the guy is yelling at you. You aren't playing in the game, so your adrenaline isn't pumping, and the yelling seems directed at you, rather than a function of the game.

Does the situation seem a little different now?

Correct. He wasn't playing or reffing in the game. Therefore, he should have kept his mouth shut and continued to take pictures quietly like a good little boy journalist.

[speeddemon]

When I first saw this, I was already thinking of a big long reply, until I read the whole thread. Seems like the rest of AO already beat me to it. I'll just say this though, I was one of the refs at the last SCAO, and never saw any kind of cheating the whole day. None of the other refs did either I believe. I think once I had to tell someone they were hit. Almost every time, the second a person was hit, they walked off (or called for a paintcheck). Never saw anyone play on purposefully, and no wiping at all. Im sure Josh has his reasons for what he said, even though its not called for.

[Muzikman]

Now imagine you are on the sidelines, and you just got lit up by some guy by accident. He is running towards you, and you see a hit on him. You tell him hes out, and he yells back "WHERE AM I HIT?". Now, you are already probably a little pissed that you got shot, and now the guy is yelling at you. You aren't playing in the game, so your adrenaline isn't pumping, and the yelling seems directed at you, rather than a function of the game.

Does the situation seem a little different now?

So this sounds a lot like when Jon lit me up in NJ. I didn't yell, scream or do anything but hug my camera and hide behind Mango...thanks again Mango:)

[hitech]

Heh heh, are you gonna make it out to VT on the 28th?

Nope. The new little one (8 weeks old ) is taking up a lot of my time. That and my wifes car dying. Car shopping is the next priority.