No offense Josh, but...

[1stdeadeye]

And sometimes, when you are caught up in the game, you tend to be loud. Not because you need to yell, but because you have your adrenaline pumping.

I don't need adrenaline. I am always loud!

[coyote]

A second read of that article angers me further. The AO game gets blasted for "cheating", when that conclusion is matter of perspective.

NOWHERE is any form of the word cheat used when the author describes the illegal DM4's pulled from the Legacy/ Ironmen game.

Now cheating is about intent as well as action. We know that 1DE got hit. What he intended to communicate after that hit is subject to debate (I believe him). You can't debate the fact that still more pro markers were pulled from an event for being illegal. Since those markers were in fact set up by the players or their techs I will go out on a limb (a rather sturdy one) and state that both the action and the intention of cheating were present in that situation.

It is obvious to me which side of the bread is buttered. Josh seems to complacently condone this type of cheating. I am further disappointed.

[nastymag]

wow ... you guys are really sensitive about things arent you.
i think this is a misinterpration , do you really think that josh thought to himself " hey, he lit me up , so i am gonna trash talk a whole AO event " ?. Josh posts here, and he is a standup guy. so are his articles . and to those saying not to ref if you arent a ref, i am so used to having players ref to help out the refs ( actually probably just to make sure the other team doesnt get away with anything). i reffed just as much as i played at Socal VS Norcal AO day.and yea i saw playing and a little bit of everyform of cheating. but it wasnt that much. but let me tell you most was while i was reffing at i saw these things , when you attenion isnt on playing. im sure some of it wasnt intentional , ive done runs, gotten hit and not realized it and argued with the ref. what i am trying to say is that most of us are human(i hope), we make mistakes , we have opinions.
and you guys are already writting off some one because they misinterprated events in a GAME !

yea from what i read 1stdeadeye wasnt cheating .....

but you guys are calling for josh head . be rational guys.

[cphilip]

...

.... I saw as much blatant cheating, wiping and playing on at this AO day as I did at the last tournament I attended, but hey, it was better than a sharp stick in the eye.

[trevorjk]

.... I saw as much blatant cheating, wiping and playing on at this AO day as I did at the last tournament I attended, but hey, it was better than a sharp stick in the eye.

or an EMPTY BEER!!!! OFF TO THE FRIDGE

[Josh2Xtremes]

Wow...Leave for Five Minutes...

Ok guys, I just got back in here and read all this, and I hate that it's happened this way. While it was never my intention to upset anyone or cast a bad light over the SCAO event at which I had a blast with some great people, I can certainly see, upon further review, how my statements could be construed that way.

I had a long post all prepared defending my side of things and why I said what I said and did what I did, but that's not what's important here and we're well past that. What I saw I saw, what I've done I've done, and I called it like I saw it. I can't "un-piss anyone off" and I can't turn back time, but I CAN be man enough to admit that I accentuated the negative in my statement on my website, something I hadn't intended to do. What's more important to me is that I don't lose any AO'ers as friends, because I value my experiences with all of them and don't want to be a point of contention here, at a place full of good people. In that spirit I'm willing to say "I'm sorry" to those that might have taken offense to what I've said, "I'm watching you" to those who I saw cheating and the like, and change what I stated on the website to something less inflamatory.

I'm not a big fan of controversy or confrontation, but sometimes it happens...especially in a job like mine. However, unlike many in journalism, I'm not out to make enemies and push buttons in people, and if I did that here, it wasn't my intention. This is paintball, we're supposed to get along and and have fun, and the entire sport will get a lot further with all of us as friends, than as adversaries. I'll make the changes, shake a few hands, buy a few drinks, and hopefully we can all go back to having fun and put this behind us.
Josh

[trevorjk]

hopefully we can all go back to having fun and put this behind us.
Josh

and more beer! it solves everything!

[Automaggin2]

and more beer! it solves everything!

Put it all in the past. Mistakes happen. I know 1DE, and when i read the article and saw it was him, I coudlnt believe it. Scott is a easy going person, I have never seen him argue or cheat,

[tyrion2323]

Well written. I commend you, Josh. And since I won't be able to meet you in person, you can paypal me the money that you would have spent on buying me a drink.

[Z-man]

You know for just having read all this thread, I must say I like this Josh character. His post above was mature and formal. Right or wrong, this thread, and how it was handled by both sides is a fine example of the quality of people that make AO and the AO Days a league of their own. Come out to NorCal SoCal if you are on the West Coast

[1stdeadeye]

Ok guys, I just got back in here and read all this, and I hate that it's happened this way. While it was never my intention to upset anyone or cast a bad light over the SCAO event at which I had a blast with some great people, I can certainly see, upon further review, how my statements could be construed that way.

I had a long post all prepared defending my side of things and why I said what I said and did what I did, but that's not what's important here and we're well past that. What I saw I saw, what I've done I've done, and I called it like I saw it. I can't "un-piss anyone off" and I can't turn back time, but I CAN be man enough to admit that I accentuated the negative in my statement on my website, something I hadn't intended to do. What's more important to me is that I don't lose any AO'ers as friends, because I value my experiences with all of them and don't want to be a point of contention here, at a place full of good people. In that spirit I'm willing to say "I'm sorry" to those that might have taken offense to what I've said, "I'm watching you" to those who I saw cheating and the like, and change what I stated on the website to something less inflamatory.

I'm not a big fan of controversy or confrontation, but sometimes it happens...especially in a job like mine. However, unlike many in journalism, I'm not out to make enemies and push buttons in people, and if I did that here, it wasn't my intention. This is paintball, we're supposed to get along and and have fun, and the entire sport will get a lot further with all of us as friends, than as adversaries. I'll make the changes, shake a few hands, buy a few drinks, and hopefully we can all go back to having fun and put this behind us.
Josh

Thank you for the changes. I now understand the stick in the eye comment. I did not know that you were injured.

As for the "I'm watching you" comment, please do!!! I try to be as honorable a player as possible. That is why the story hurt so much. I was playing that particular game with a group of friends. As I said before, Nick was the one who called me out. He did not let me forget that the entire 10 hour ride back to NJ! I am a big guy and sometimes don't feel every hit. I am also a loud guy so I hope you believe me when I say if I was yelling it you, it was not in the spirit of argueing. Also that picture you took of me was awesome, so keep taking them. Hopefully there will not be a lot of balls breaking on me in them. The picture of me in the header is your picture by the way.

If I see you at AO SC III, I'll buy you the first beer.

[Creative Mayhem]

Don't sweat it Josh... you didn't piss anyone off. We all wub you

[bofh]

Josh, Let me get this straight. If I'm reading the old copy right.

SEAO was better then a sharp stick in the eye... because you got a sharp stick in the eye?

Ouch, I hope that came out ok.

[Thordic]

*pokes bofh in the eye with a sharp stick*

Buah ha ha.

And I agree, beer solves everything. Unless its real bad. Thats what we have whiskey for.

[wyn1370]

.... I saw as much blatant cheating, wiping and playing on at this AO day as I did at the last tournament I attended, but hey, it was better than a sharp stick in the eye.

I'm still peaved about this, great so he went back and changed the narative to the picture. But what SEAO day did you attend. Sure there may have been a missunderstanding between you and deadeye, but that by no means justifies this comment. Even the refs have posted that they did not witness any blatent cheating, sure playing on happens if you don't see or feel the hit, but they even said that people where calling themselves out before they even had a chance to make a call. To compare SEAO day to a tournament is a load of crap. It's not often you see such high class, stand up ball being played as what happened in SC.