Wow! NXL set BPS limit

[FallNAngel]

if the 16th ball is fired durring the end of the second....therefore the firing sequence started during the first second, and ended durring the second....if that makes any sense.

Yes, but wouldn't that just mean 16bps?

[_tMAN]

That's awsome someone finally did this, hopefully it turns out well and works

[SlartyBartFast]

well when i was at a clinic this weekend, Mike Carey (Chicago Aftershock) was talking about the enforcement at the pro level. apparently they have a "sound magnifier" type thing where someone points a microphone at your marker and they can determine how fast you are shooting and how consistent it is and if its suspicious they pull you right then and there.

Aren't they using hand held chronos? It would be easy to reprogram them to detect BPS.

Sounds like they've made a good, realistic, and enforceable rule.

[RogueFactoryKid]

Even though i wont end up playing any NXL this year my emag will be set for the bps cap, well almost. Version 1.35 16 BPS Woohoo

[AGD]

Well we are on the way to full auto (against ASTM regulations) one rule at a time. This is the way its always been in paintball, todays cheaters become tommorows pros. This was 12 bps when discussed at IAO, now its 15, well really 15.9. By next year it will be 20 and the year after that it will be full auto at your local tourney.

Hope no one gets hurt, it would be a really juicy lawsuit....

AGD

[FreakBaller12]

I don't know if I'm just stating the obvious but, I think they are doing the first 3 shots semi only for safety rwasons. Just incase you drop your gun it wont go full auto in somebody's face. If you drop a gun, the trigger more than likely won't get tapped 3 times by something to star the ramping, FA whatever.


But we'll see how well the refs inforce this..

[SlartyBartFast]

Hope no one gets hurt, it would be a really juicy lawsuit....

Read my other posts all over AO. I've been saying that for quite some time.

[SMG]

Full Auto

I don't know how people think it will improve the sport and help draw sponsors. More balls in the air means less movement, less wathcable action, and games that are all going to look relatively the same. Its kind of like making a basketball hoop 6 feet around - takes some of the sport out of it.

Everytime I go to a field people are already getting overshot like crazy. Unfortunately, its going to take someone getting seriously injured to make people see the light. Not to mention the various NXL boards will appear at the local fields in the hands of every 11 year old who still have mom tie their shoes. The whole 15 bps will just be programmed around right from the start and people will be shooting full auto at 25-30. I played with an SMG-60 in the late 80's and I can't tell you how many people were injured from getting overshot while we played with full-autos. Time for people to get back into mechanical and pump play. Somehow I remember that time before electros when my gun always worked and I did not have to lug a trunk-load of crap around to play. Sorr for the rant.

[tony3]

Best changes I've seen in a long time.

[Tunaman]

Well it is my thinking that whoever is running the NXL better have some mighty deep pockets. Someone IS going to get hurt. Shame on the NXL. What a stupid decision to allow anything but semi auto.

[AGDlover]

i'm leaveing my e-mag set i 20 i don't care

[SMG]

Injuries

Well it is my thinking that whoever is running the NXL better have some mighty deep pockets. Someone IS going to get hurt. Shame on the NXL. What a stupid decision to allow anything but semi auto.

The problem is that when corporations and limited liability companies are setup they are often under-funded and under-insured. I am an attorney and I can tell you that I would bet if someone was really hurt they may be without a viable deep pocket to sue. Teams with enough money would be smart to take out their own insurance to cover player injuries. I am always surprised by the waivers at paintball fields because if their were a lawsuit most of them would not have any viable assets to begin with and in Illinois you cannot indemnify yourself against your own negligence so much of the waivers may be ineffective. Players who shoot too hot or have cheater software may also be liable personally to the people that injure.

[Marchborne]

The problem is that when corporations and limited liability companies are setup they are often under-funded and under-insured. I am an attorney and I can tell you that I would bet if someone was really hurt they may be without a viable deep pocket to sue. Teams with enough money would be smart to take out their own insurance to cover player injuries. I am always surprised by the waivers at paintball fields because if their were a lawsuit most of them would not have any viable assets to begin with and in Illinois you cannot indemnify yourself against your own negligence so much of the waivers may be ineffective. Players who shoot too hot or have cheater software may also be liable personally to the people that injure.

Too true. The waiver/negligence/personal liability works the same way here in Virginia (yes, I'm another AO-law). A full-auto injury case would be very expensive: everybody under the sun would get sued, the insurance companies would probably try to back out of their duty to defend their insureds (since they might be violating their policy by allowing effective full-auto), discovery would be extensive (including PSP/NXL documents, numerous depositions, testing of the markers at issue), lots of expert testimony (ASTM standards, etc). The resulting trial would likely be an anti-paintball showcase, just to make things more fun.

I wouldn't worry about underfunding too much. I recall that in one of the recent PB magazines, Jerry Braun was quoted as saying that it takes $200,000 a year to run an NXL team.

[BlackVCG]

i'm leaveing my e-mag set i 20 i don't care

Good for you. I'm pretty sure you don't play in the NXL, either.

Well we are on the way to full auto (against ASTM regulations) one rule at a time. This is the way its always been in paintball, todays cheaters become tommorows pros. This was 12 bps when discussed at IAO, now its 15, well really 15.9. By next year it will be 20 and the year after that it will be full auto at your local tourney.

Hope no one gets hurt, it would be a really juicy lawsuit....

AGD

ASTM regulations limit the industry manufacturers. Not the events. This is, as far as I know, the first event organization to limit the BPS cap. It's kinda like telling carburetor manufacturers that they have to build low CFM models for race applications. It doesn't make sense. Instead they regulate, in the case of NASCAR, the CFM with a restricter plate.

And speaking of NASCAR, last time I checked those guys aren't the saints of the automotive race world. It's not like the cheaters of the world flocked to paintball. It's what you get in competitive sports.

I really don't see how this is going to let guns just go crazy and cause a problem. The MROF is the key. The first three shots have to be semi-auto, so that keeps people from using true FA. It just means the software is going to ramp up to 15bps once you hit about 5-6bps. Doesn't seem like much of a change from what guns can do right now. It doesn't seem all that hard to get an E-Mag with 3.2 to hum at 15bps.

[paint magnet]

I hate cheaters....well maybe companies will start making reliable and gas efficient guns instead of guns that shoot 30bps and suck.

They do, they're called Palmer's.

Tunaman - What do you think is going to hurt worse? 15 bps that actually stops when you release the trigger, or 23 bps that shoots another 4 balls because the trigger bounces when you release it? And what difference would full auto make anyway? Most, if not all "pro" players can shoot well over 15 bps in semi, so it's more of a handicap.

And what of the issue of mech markers? While I'm sure it takes a fair amount of skill to get a true semiautomatic mechanical gun firing over 15 bps, it can be done.

But in any case, it's about time someone did something about this problem. Any idea how this will affect the new guns being sold? ('high end' guns like Intimidators - would they come with the board capped at 15? Uncapped with a tourney lock? What about cheap sear trippers? Are electro Spyders going to be capped at 15 instead of 13?)