Wow! NXL set BPS limit

[Deltree]

It's a good topic and all but i bet the majority of us dont play in the NXL so it wont effect us too much. viva la 23 bps!

[FallNAngel]

well the way they determine fractions of a ball (i think) they say: hes shooting 23 bps over 2 seconds. so if you do the math thats 11.5 bps.

I realize that, but what you're doing is just taking an average at that point. If you actually break it down, it comes out to 11 one second and 12 the next.

The first three shots have to be semi-auto, so that keeps people from using true FA.

No, actually it doesn't. It just means they hold the trigger back on the 4th pull and get full auto.

[BlackVCG]

Notice that I said "true" FA. And in order for a gun to do what you describe, they're going to have to program the board to do that.

Can you honestly tell me, in an NXL tournament, you would sit there and pull the trigger three times and then hold back on it on the 4th pull so you can shoot FA for a couple seconds when you have a reason to shoot that much paint?

Maybe I haven't played enough tournaments but it seems to me there's too much going on for me to have the patience to sit there and pop off three single shots so I can hold back on the trigger and throw paint. I'd rather walk the trigger and control my ROF than play some game with the trigger to get it to go FA.

No, actually it doesn't. It just means they hold the trigger back on the 4th pull and get full auto.

[magmonkey]

"It's a good topic and all but i bet the majority of us dont play in the NXL so it wont effect us too much. viva la 23 bps! "

it wont effect you yet, when somone gets hurt, and successfully sues "brand X" paintball gun manufacturer because they created a marker that goes against astm standards. this little paintball world is going to get turned upside down.

the astm standard was agreed uppon by the manufacturers, and it works to protect them from lawsuits (as long as the marker they are building is within the standard)

[FallNAngel]

Notice that I said "true" FA. And in order for a gun to do what you describe, they're going to have to program the board to do that.[/b]

You're right... and they won't have to program the board to ramp when they pull 5-6 bps either

Can you honestly tell me, in an NXL tournament, you would sit there and pull the trigger three times and then hold back on it on the 4th pull so you can shoot FA for a couple seconds when you have a reason to shoot that much paint?

Yeah, actually I would. It's much easier to pull 3 times and hold it back on the 4th, and not have to worry about pulling the trigger than to sit that and try to shoot fast enough to get it to ramp. Do I think everyone will use that? No, but for some of the back guys off the break that just keep shooting, yeah, I do think it'll be used.

Maybe I haven't played enough tournaments but it seems to me there's too much going on for me to have the patience to sit there and pop off three single shots so I can hold back on the trigger and throw paint. I'd rather walk the trigger and control my ROF than play some game with the trigger to get it to go FA.

Play some game with the trigger? You'll have to "play some game" with the trigger to get it to ramp, which is shoot 3 balls first... exactly the same thing I'd have to do. I also hope you understand that 3 shots semi-auto just means pull the trigger normally 3 times with less than a second between each shot... after the third pull you have a second to just hold the trigger back. Not exactly a complicated thing to do.

[Jack & Coke]

IMO, they should have added a minimum trigger pull weight requirement.

Since after 3 shots, FA is allowed, you really don't need a feather light hair trigger set up anymore (for easy trigger walking).

If they made it so the gun had a minimum pull weight of 1-3 lbs., you would eliminate most accidental discharges caused by bumping the gun (for the first 3 shots).

If i were King, I would run it like this:

- FA allowed (after first 3 shots)
- MAX ROF = 13 BPS
- 1-3 lbs. min. trigger pull weight
- Single trigger frames only (safer handling, 3 fingers gripping the gun while running and driving, is better than 2)

Good thing I'm not the KING!

[-=Squid=-]

This is lame.

I know it doesnt affect us non NXLers, but im afraid this crap is going to creep over here as well.

[angelpena]

I mostly play pump and I rarely shoot 15 balls a game! I don't think this will affect me too much.

[hitech]

Maybe I haven't played enough tournaments but it seems to me there's too much going on for me to have the patience to sit there and pop off three single shots so I can hold back on the trigger and throw paint.

I would probably pull the first three BEFORE even coming out of the bunker. By the time I actually got out I would already be firing full auto. This assumes that I am providing cover type fire and not trying to wait on someone to stick their head out.

I don't pretend to understand the law, but if ASTM standards are going to be used to determine what is safe, this is going to get someone on the losing end of a lawsuit. Someone is GOING to get bunkered at 15bps full auto. We already know what 12 rounds to the back of someone head at close range will do.

[trains are bad]

If I was god, It'd be this:

Any firing mode, 13bps max (nxl seems to think they have enforcement covered)
>1lb trigger weight (simple to enforce)
limited paint (simple to enforce)
No overshooting (simple to enforce)

[TDonovan]

Just give everyone a 12v revvy and tell them to go nuts. You might be able to get some decent bursts off, but you might be hard pressed to hold down a long string.

However that could hurt other companies that have fast loaders.

Just my little idea :)

[wobbles82]

This makes getting to their bunkers THAT much easier. Long live the 2 second game.

[Brophog]

What about the new wave of "fast mechanicals"?

For electros, which are the only markers capable for really going that fast in tournament play, a BPS cap is easily implemented. What do you do when the GFORCE and hAIR trigger hit the market though?

[BlackVCG]

My point from the beginning was that the 3-shot rule eliminates true FA of just pulling and holding the trigger. I agree... back players would probably like to be able to pull off three shots and hold back and throw 15bps. The thing is, right now people with Timmies and DM4's are throwing easily 20-23bps off the break. Ever shoot a Timmy with debounce "ramp" setting of 2?

To get a gun to ramp, you just shoot it fast by walking or fanning the trigger and the gun goes fast while your fingers aren't going nearly as fast. Not a complicated process.

I don't know, I just don't see many guys wrapping a bunker and with an open shot on a guy popping off three shots and then holding the trigger to spray him down. I think most paintballers, NXL players especially, are use to working a trigger to get the gun to do what they want. I don't think many people are going to change how they shoot a gun to get a modified version of FA.

Either way, have you guys listened to a gun shoot at 15bps lately? It's pretty slow in comparison to what you'll hear on a field with guns that are ramping up into the 20's.

You're right... and they won't have to program the board to ramp when they pull 5-6 bps either



Yeah, actually I would. It's much easier to pull 3 times and hold it back on the 4th, and not have to worry about pulling the trigger than to sit that and try to shoot fast enough to get it to ramp. Do I think everyone will use that? No, but for some of the back guys off the break that just keep shooting, yeah, I do think it'll be used.



Play some game with the trigger? You'll have to "play some game" with the trigger to get it to ramp, which is shoot 3 balls first... exactly the same thing I'd have to do. I also hope you understand that 3 shots semi-auto just means pull the trigger normally 3 times with less than a second between each shot... after the third pull you have a second to just hold the trigger back. Not exactly a complicated thing to do.

[magmonkey]

had a thought,

National, Smartparts,and dye are the major gun sponsors of psp events,and would have a major sway in the "rule" creation.

now you have a couple small companys finding a way around the sp lawsuit by making incredibly fast mach guns,

I wonder if this could be another attempt to drive out marker manufacturing competition

they all make a "smartparts liscenced" high end electro, and anybody else who doesn't is pretty much screwed out of the electro market, so wouldn't it be a logical and equaly dirty step to esentialy ban the new high rof mech guns even before they come out by limiting the bps when there is no real viable way to cap a mech marker?