Timmies are greater than RT's???

[GT]

shot buffering just recognizes the trigger pull when you hit one of these null spaces between solenoid cycles so that each trigger pull is counted, it doesn't stack any additional shots beyond this single shot.

-Evil Bob

so lets say you are playing with a mech gun, what happens when you fire mid cycle? Or you have an older shocker only capable of 11 bps and you can shoot 20, so all of those shots are puffered, esentially making it full auto until all shots are cleared.


Here is the problem, shot buffering alone is a huge advantage over thier mech counter parts. Again, its not skill, its the equipment, and no not everyone can afford the latest super cheater gear, lol.


Just making a point guys

[teufelhunden]

Just remember what you dont know............could kill you. Here are some key words for you

Hemorrhage
Blunt force trauma
Broken blood vessels
Impact force

300 fps = 204 mph

Yeah... your point? I've been bunkered and shot at what would be considered point blank range probably hundreds of times. Neck, chest, back, balls, you name it and I've been shot there. Been on the wrong end of massive overshoots, bonus balls, etc.

Still haven't had hemmorhaging, blunt force trauma [unless you consider bruises and welts trauma..] or anything else serious.

so lets say you are playing with a mech gun, what happens when you fire mid cycle? Or you have an older shocker only capable of 11 bps and you can shoot 20, so all of those shots are puffered, esentially making it full auto until all shots are cleared.


Here is the problem, shot buffering alone is a huge advantage over thier mech counter parts. Again, its not skill, its the equipment, and no not everyone can afford the latest super cheater gear, lol.


Just making a point guys

Well, for one, on a 'Mag, pulling the trigger mid cycle adds up to 26 bps. I really don't think anybody is going to be pulling 26 bps on a mechanical mag... so that point is moot.

As far as I am aware, stop pulling the trigger and any buffered shots are erased. So no full auto.


I still see no point being made other than you get what you pay for..

[Beemer]

when you say this

Still haven't had hemmorhaging, blunt force trauma [unless you consider bruises and welts trauma..] or anything else serious.

It shows what you dont know and thats my POINT

[teufelhunden]

It shows you have no legitimate point. 300 fps is the limit for a reason, because it's safe. That's why people don't die from ballin every weekend.

[Beemer]

fuzzy logic

You never know, a paintball marker can be a deadly weapon if so chosen A dangerous weapon would be better choice of words there.

I have read all your posts and regarding your view of safety issues I think you have fuzzy logic.

Read laws' posts again he is clear on the safety view

Safety has not kept up with the sport. What will it take for it to catch up



Peace Out
Beemer

[tyrion2323]

Law, the problem with your argument is that you're making blatant generalizations about the skills of players simply due to the amounts of paint that they shoot. Paintball isn't like most sports - it's a much more tactical and mental sport. In basketball, physical prowess is everything. If you can shoot and pass and remember a few plays, you're golden. In paintball, if you don't know how to work the field, communicate, when to move, when to shoot, then you're going to get spanked.

Paint volume is a part of the tactics. Suppressive fire isn't always meant to hit someone. If a back-man is laying fire in a bunker, it could be so that his front or mid can either move up, grab the flag or bunker someone. You're looking at things with tunnel-vision.

Here's my "challenge" to you, since you're all about challenges. Go play against an NXL or NPPL team. Since you feel that the amount of paint that they shoot is in indirect relation to their skill levels, limit the paint to a hopper and a pod per game.

Tell me who maxxes who.

[LaW]

Once again when did I say that the skill of the player was based on the amount of paint they shoot alone? Come on if you think I would imply that... if I did I never meant to. Maybe you got it from the quote I put in my last post... Some people though use the ability to fire more paint to disguise weaknesses in their game.

I think paintball is a lot like most sports. Look at football... can be described as tactical and mental... basketball USED to be more about tactics and more of a team effort...

If you would have read my post I didnt CHALLENGE anyone. That was a quote I took from the pan am circuit website that described in a more clear voice what I was thinking. I also said that I agreed with most of it.

Sure I talk about using less paint or limiting rate of fire. I too love to shoot fast, and perhaps ROF shouldnt be limited but I still think having it unlimited still has a higher risk to it. Limiting paint does change the game and I think there would be room for both in tournament paintball. When I practice with a team I usually only go out with a hopper and it definately improves your game. During a tournament I will carry as much paint as I need for the position I am playing.

But I would defniately take your challenge! I have much confidence in my ability to make something happen on the field, if it works it works and sometimes it doesnt but I think I would have a chance 1 on 1 against any player out there because in my mind it can happen!

[LaW]

I have read all your posts and regarding your view of safety issues I think you have fuzzy logic.

Read laws' posts again he is clear on the safety view

Safety has not kept up with the sport. What will it take for it to catch up



Peace Out
Beemer

Thanks beemer, when I read my own posts I feel as though I am not being very clear but I think somewhere within the posts my thoughts are coming through :)

[RTDynaflow]

It shows you have no legitimate point. 300 fps is the limit for a reason, because it's safe. That's why people don't die from ballin every weekend.

Well, let me put my twist on it. It was about 6 years ago, I was 13, I was out at a local field playing with some guys from my church. All fun and games, right? Untill some guy shows up with his angel. Now, I had just gotten into PB, I barely knew what an angel was. I was using a stingray (to this day I denied ever owning it...) and some others had spyders and what nots. Back to the story... We were playing in the woods course, walking around, ducking, siting.. etc etc. The guy with the angel, which btw none of my group knew he had come on with us, decides to play hunt the newbies. Whatever, thats cool. Untill he deices to switch it to FA mode and put about 13 shots to the back of my neck from around 10-15 feet away.

Want to know what happened after that? I don't know, I passed out. When I came to, my neck was bleeding. Not a little welt, they taped my neck with paper towels, as there wasn't a bandage big enough. Needless to say I had a visit with the emergency room.

Was he shooting hot? Nope, 290. No, I didn't die; I didn't play for another 3 years though. Sure, he was being an a$$; my point is, just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean people don't get seriously hurt. "its part of the game" - sure, but had his marker been limited to semi only, or 6, 7 bps, would the same outcome happen? Doubtful.

Posting this, I am not saying markers should be limited to 10 bps, or 5, or such. I would be pissed if companies limited my markers. I have a viking, I love messing with it to see how fast I am get it going. There is a place for it though. The rec field, or even airball/tourny, this shouldn't be happening. Your entire post earlier, was in a way very insulting - not to me personaly, but to the sport in general. If people don't start acknowleding that 20+bps is much overboard, this sport won't go far. As everyone has said, it takes one lawyer, one lawsuit, one victory - it's all over. No one will be able to buy ridiculously fast guns. Further, how many newbs want to come back to a sport after they have been hospitalized (don't use me as an example =p)? Why not be proactive?

If you want to pick apart my post, go right ahead. Please, do so with logic - don't make this thread into something you see on PBN.

[LaW]

Well, let me put my twist on it. It was about 6 years ago, I was 13, I was out at a local field playing with some guys from my church. All fun and games, right? Untill some guy shows up with his angel. Now, I had just gotten into PB, I barely knew what an angel was. I was using a stingray (to this day I denied ever owning it...) and some others had spyders and what nots. Back to the story... We were playing in the woods course, walking around, ducking, siting.. etc etc. The guy with the angel, which btw none of my group knew he had come on with us, decides to play hunt the newbies. Whatever, thats cool. Untill he deices to switch it to FA mode and put about 13 shots to the back of my neck from around 10-15 feet away.

Want to know what happened after that? I don't know, I passed out. When I came to, my neck was bleeding. Not a little welt, they taped my neck with paper towels, as there wasn't a bandage big enough. Needless to say I had a visit with the emergency room.

Was he shooting hot? Nope, 290. No, I didn't die; I didn't play for another 3 years though. Sure, he was being an a$$; my point is, just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean people don't get seriously hurt. "its part of the game" - sure, but had his marker been limited to semi only, or 6, 7 bps, would the same outcome happen? Doubtful.

Posting this, I am not saying markers should be limited to 10 bps, or 5, or such. I would be pissed if companies limited my markers. I have a viking, I love messing with it to see how fast I am get it going. There is a place for it though. The rec field, or even airball/tourny, this shouldn't be happening. Your entire post earlier, was in a way very insulting - not to me personaly, but to the sport in general. If people don't start acknowleding that 20+bps is much overboard, this sport won't go far. As everyone has said, it takes one lawyer, one lawsuit, one victory - it's all over. No one will be able to buy ridiculously fast guns. Further, how many newbs want to come back to a sport after they have been hospitalized (don't use me as an example =p)? Why not be proactive?

If you want to pick apart my post, go right ahead. Please, do so with logic - don't make this thread into something you see on PBN.

Wow I hate to hear stories liek that but its good to show that this stuff does happen! BTW its not bad to have owned a stingray :) I had one running with a bottomline, compressed air, vl2000 and venturi bolt + sp all american barrel this was years ago though :)

[Beemer]

Untill he deices to switch it to FA mode and put about 13 shots to the back of my neck from around 10-15 feet away.

Want to know what happened after that? I don't know, I passed out. When I came to, my neck was bleeding. Not a little welt, they taped my neck with paper towels, as there wasn't a bandage big enough. Needless to say I had a visit with the emergency room.

Any of those lucky 13 happen to hit the back of your head. Thank somebody you came to and can still walk. Hits like this COULD kill or paralize you,[internal bleeding to brain or spine]] but no one will believe it till it happens.

If people don't start acknowleding that 20+bps is much overboard, this sport won't go far. As everyone has said, it takes one lawyer, one lawsuit, one victory - it's all over.

or one more death. Its already more then one laywer and one suit.

Like I said Safety hasnt kept up and the ASTM gun standards are a blow off.

[teufelhunden]

Well, let me put my twist on it. It was about 6 years ago, I was 13, I was out at a local field playing with some guys from my church. All fun and games, right? Untill some guy shows up with his angel. Now, I had just gotten into PB, I barely knew what an angel was. I was using a stingray (to this day I denied ever owning it...) and some others had spyders and what nots. Back to the story... We were playing in the woods course, walking around, ducking, siting.. etc etc. The guy with the angel, which btw none of my group knew he had come on with us, decides to play hunt the newbies. Whatever, thats cool. Untill he deices to switch it to FA mode and put about 13 shots to the back of my neck from around 10-15 feet away. So you played with a guy who broke a bunch of rules and injured you. Thankfully, there's now ways to lock out modes like auto. Is it an unfortunate circumstance? It absolutley is and I'm sorry it happened. But that was not a product of hgh ROF, it was a problem of abuse of a gun.

Want to know what happened after that? I don't know, I passed out. When I came to, my neck was bleeding. Not a little welt, they taped my neck with paper towels, as there wasn't a bandage big enough. Needless to say I had a visit with the emergency room.I'm no doctor, but since you mentioned no serious injury other than a bloody neck, I'd venture a guess that you passed out from the shock of the pain. That still doesn't make it as a serious injury in my book.

Was he shooting hot? Nope, 290. No, I didn't die; I didn't play for another 3 years though. Sure, he was being an a$$; my point is, just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean people don't get seriously hurt. "its part of the game" - sure, but had his marker been limited to semi only, or 6, 7 bps, would the same outcome happen? Doubtful. His marker should've been limited to semi-only, as that's what the rules allowed. 6 years ago I think WDP hadn't rolled out double triggers, so I can't say that semi would've been faster, but limiting it to semi probably wouldn't have affected your outcome had there been a double on the gun.

Posting this, I am not saying markers should be limited to 10 bps, or 5, or such. I would be pissed if companies limited my markers. I have a viking, I love messing with it to see how fast I am get it going. There is a place for it though. The rec field, or even airball/tourny, this shouldn't be happening. Your entire post earlier, was in a way very insulting - not to me personaly, but to the sport in general. If people don't start acknowleding that 20+bps is much overboard, this sport won't go far. As everyone has said, it takes one lawyer, one lawsuit, one victory - it's all over. No one will be able to buy ridiculously fast guns. Further, how many newbs want to come back to a sport after they have been hospitalized (don't use me as an example =p)? Why not be proactive? I disagree with you about disapproving of high ROFs in an airball/tourney setting. Stepping onto a hyper/air field is an acceptance of high rofs, high adrenaline, and close in shooting. It's not unexpected like it was in your woods incident.

20 bps isn't overboard-- it makes certain tactics more effective. One, it can easily be used as intimidation. Obviously not at the am/pro level, but if someone in a rookie tourney hears 20 bps on their air bunker they probably are going to be scared to pop out. Secondly, holding a lane at 20 bps vs 10 bps is going to make it that much more effective.

As for the lawyer situation, I disagree again. Paintball has been through the law a few times, to say the least. In any situation where someone was injured seriously due to a high ROF, I don't see how it could be proven that it was anything but a product of ignorance or abuse by one of the parties involved.

And I don't know which of my earlier posts you're talking about, so I can't address that part.

If you want to pick apart my post, go right ahead. Please, do so with logic - don't make this thread into something you see on PBN.

I'm sure that doesn't count as enough logic for you, so I'll be back in a little.

[teufelhunden]

Any of those lucky 13 happen to hit the back of your head. Thank somebody you came to and can still walk. Hits like this COULD kill or paralize you,[internal bleeding to brain or spine]] but no one will believe it till it happens.

Wheredo you get that information from? Like I said, I've been on the wrong end of that before. I can remember a couple particularly painful incidents into the back of my head and neck, wind pipe... all at bunker range. At last check I don't believe I've been physically augmented in any way, so I really shouldn't be a special case.

[LaW]

Wheredo you get that information from? Like I said, I've been on the wrong end of that before. I can remember a couple particularly painful incidents into the back of my head and neck, wind pipe... all at bunker range. At last check I don't believe I've been physically augmented in any way, so I really shouldn't be a special case.

Your whole theory is that if it hasnt happend to you, you cannot see it happening.

Regarding your response to the earlier post, passing out because of the pain? Possible but its also possible he was knocked out by the blow of a paintball to his head. A forced blow to the head can certainly cause someone to fall unconscious. Have you ever heard of a concussion? It doesnt always take much to get one... A couple of balls to the head from close range could be sufficient enough.

I will be back and post a couple more possibilities of injury in paintball since you obviously believe it cant happen.

[teufelhunden]

My whole theory is that our safety regs exist because they're exactly that-- safe. Dynaflow said nothing about paint to the back of the head, so he had no concussion...

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