Question on patents..

[tyrion2323]

I want you to read the following quotations. Then I want you to read the last question which you posed. Then I want you to smack yourself in the forehead with a textbook.

If I were to make a new marker based on the timmy design, where it was almost the same as a timmy internally, but the body was different would I be infringing on patents?

BTW, I'm in Canada.

Alright thanks bro..

And i'll be mass producing them.. Probablly about 1000 for the first run..

I was thinking of stealing the nerve, and shocker from smart parts, getting a 1000 of each made, and selling them at 100-200 less with break beam eyes instead of crappy *** reflective...

I'm in Canada to, so SP shouldn't be able to touch me with their electro patent, and I doubt they paid the big $$'s for a worldwide patent on the nerver or shocker, so we'll see.. lol.

I'm Digits bro...and yes we do know how much it costs to get it milled. We are getting it done at a place where you have to get like 500+ of them made for them to start making them for you. We dont know if they can forsure do it untill 1-2 weeks and then they'll tell how much each one is and how many we have to make. It should'nt cost that much considering to get a dirt bike made its only 700 and there like 2000+ new

no, i'm not in for a nasty suprise.. Basically we would be getting these markers made in a factory in China that makes things like dirtbikes, quads for honda, showers, generators ect, all at a reduced cost.

lol ya.. I really want timmies.. I just sort of hate smart parts so I would like to copy their gun, and sell it for like 300 less.. But if i'm guerenteed to be in court, I would rather not.. Does anyone know what bob long has patents on for his guns? (like bolt design, reg design, clammy's, anything specific that we would want to avoid replicating?)

explain how this would be a ripoff?

[Deep Sixx]

Dang it... where's an "owned" pic when ya need one?!

sixx

[Creative Mayhem]

[manike]

Sorry guys but due to my contract I can't design anything for anyone in paintball unless NPS allows it, but thanks for the thought.

And your chance of getting NPS to allow me to help someone make a knock off timmy... and to be honest I wouldn't want to do that anyway. Sorry.

Hardest thing in the world is to be innovative/original.

[Mole1119]

GENIUS!!

[Digits]

I want you to read the following quotations. Then I want you to read the last question which you posed. Then I want you to smack yourself in the forehead with a textbook.

honestly, I don't feel like arguing.. But seriouslly, you guys are worse then PBN.. I said the SP thing as a joke.. ok?

We will be making Timmy LIKE guns.. Obviouslly the way it works will be ripped off, but what guns arn't ripped of the timmy or tix today that actually shoot good?.. Minus the Viking, and Freestyle.

[Lohman446]

honestly, I don't feel like arguing.. But seriouslly, quit trying to act like your something, your an idiot.. I said the SP thing as a joke.. ok?

Wait a minute...

You came on, said you wanted to copy the Intimidator functional design (oh, but the body might be different). You than went on to say screw that, I'm going to copy the markers of a company known for being litigous (sp). You then asked where you could get hold of one of the designers for the first company presumedly so he could help you undercut the company he works for. You were going to do this by employing third world labor and engineering. And your calling who an idiot? Now I'm not trying to stand in the way of innovation... and I'm not, there would have to be innovation to stand in the way of.

Hey, AGD - I think I'm going to reverse engineer a valve, rail, trigger assembly. But the bodies gonna be different. Can I do that? LOL - the hilarious part about this is the markers known as the Patriot and the Colonial. But you get the point

[Digits]

Sorry guys but due to my contract I can't design anything for anyone in paintball unless NPS allows it, but thanks for the thought.

And your chance of getting NPS to allow me to help someone make a knock off timmy... and to be honest I wouldn't want to do that anyway. Sorry.

Hardest thing in the world is to be innovative/original.

I figured this.. I mean you did design alot of the 2k4's, and I had a feeling you worked for bob long, or NPS, or someone of that matter.. Don't worry though, we will be working on a more original design after the timmy forsure, maybe even before.. We just know that we could make a nice profit selling markers based off of the timmy design to get development of a new type of marker off the ground.

[manike]

Good luck with the 'new type of marker' always nice to see something new.

[Digits]

Wait a minute...

You came on, said you wanted to copy the Intimidator functional design (oh, but the body might be different). You than went on to say screw that, I'm going to copy the markers of a company known for being litigous (sp). You then asked where you could get hold of one of the designers for the first company presumedly so he could help you undercut the company he works for. You were going to do this by employing third world labor and engineering. And your calling who an idiot? Now I'm not trying to stand in the way of innovation... and I'm not, there would have to be innovation to stand in the way of.

Hey, AGD - I think I'm going to reverse engineer a valve, rail, trigger assembly. But the bodies gonna be different. Can I do that? LOL - the hilarious part about this is the markers known as the Patriot and the Colonial. But you get the point

No offense to AGD, but no one would copy their valve system..

#1 It's out of date technology in todays tournament scene.. They make for good mech guns, but thats it. AGD even admits to this, they are awsome for durability and reliability but once you make them electro they have problems.

#2 The SP was a joke.. Shockers, and imps suck (i've owned a shocker, my brother an imp).. I hate them. Nerves.. Nothing special, the only reason I would copy a smart parts marker would be to sell for a reduced cost.

#3 Where do you think the majority of your stuff gets made? Check for the classic, "Made in China" quote on product, ya, exactly. The same factory that would make these guns, makes motors for hondas Dirtbikes, and Quads.

#4 I'm not employing them, it's a factory with over 15000 workers, they're employed wether we get paintball guns made or not.

#5 Manike is one of the best gun designers out their, I knew their was a 99% chance of him saying no, but it doesn't hurt to ask.. Plus I wasn't 100% positive on whether or not he worked for a company associated with Bob Long, or was just paid to make the designs.

[Digits]

Good luck with the 'new type of marker' always nice to see something new.

Thanks, lol.. Now, to think of something 100% original, so all of AO wont bash us for trying to bring popular types of markers at a reduuuceeed cost

[Lohman446]

[QUOTE=Digits]
#3 Where do you think the majority of your stuff gets made? Check for the classic, "Made in China" quote on product, ya, exactly. The same factory that would make these guns, makes motors for hondas Dirtbikes, and Quads.
QUOTE]

You do understand the tolerance differences between a quad, a dirtbike, and something designed to hold 100+ PSI consantly right? Anyways, Im just harassing you for fun, no hard feelings

[Digits]

lol tis all good.. And yes I understand.. Thats why I want to send them a working prototype that they could just replicate 100%, and hopefully.. lol..

Anywayes, it doesn't matter for now.. We wont even know if they will be able to do this for another week, so the waiting game begins.

[tyrion2323]

honestly, I don't feel like arguing.. But seriouslly, quit trying to act like your something, your an idiot.. I said the SP thing as a joke.. ok?

Maybe...but an idiot who can spell tough words like seriously and you're!!!

[Disasster]

Maybe...but an idiot who can spell tough words like seriously and you're!!!

SERIOUSLY stfu and get a life

Not everyone is as good as you at spelling