Question on patents..

[Digits]

Maybe...but an idiot who can spell tough words like seriously and you're!!!

I won't hide it..

#1) I don't try to hard spelling on the interenet, for the simple fact that no matter what everyone will make mistakes, if it's comprehendable, then good enough.. But still, i'm finding this place worse then pbnation right now, atleast they would show support, not just bash the idea.

#2) I'm naturally a crappy speller, I won't lie.. I suck at spelling..


It doesn't matter anywayes though, I don't feel like responding to people here (the negative ones anywayes).. I found a few interested CAD designers with 10+ years of experience, so it's all good.

It's just going to be expensive

[teufelhunden]

You're wrong about Nation. They would've flamed you personally, not your ideas.

Basically, what you're trying to do is copy the Timmy design [like a few others have done recently] and sell them for "cheap," despite the fact that the costs to you will be high because getting a factory into gear to do what you want is not cheap, and neither is the work, despite what honda motors they make..

And still turn a profit? Sorry, it's already been done, and probably better..

[Pacifist_Farmer]

everything about this thread is illegal

[Disasster]

everything about this thread is illegal

not all of it

[Digits]

You're wrong about Nation. They would've flamed you personally, not your ideas.

Basically, what you're trying to do is copy the Timmy design [like a few others have done recently] and sell them for "cheap," despite the fact that the costs to you will be high because getting a factory into gear to do what you want is not cheap, and neither is the work, despite what honda motors they make..

And still turn a profit? Sorry, it's already been done, and probably better..

you have no idea what your talking about..

The statement you posted was 100% ignorant, you have no idea how much it even costs for this stuff to get made in a factory like the one im talking about (15000+ workers)..

I'll leave it at that..

[teufelhunden]

you have no idea what your talking about..

The statement you posted was 100% ignorant, you have no idea how much it even costs for this stuff to get made in a factory like the one im talking about (15000+ workers)..

I'll leave it at that..

You're right, I've never looked into having knock off Intimidator bodies made.

However, I do have a general idea of machining costs, even in a factory with 15k workers. Especially on things that need tolerances as tight [respectively..] as paintball guns, because of the pressures involved..

[Lohman446]

lol tis all good.. And yes I understand.. Thats why I want to send them a working prototype that they could just replicate 100%, and hopefully.. lol..

Anywayes, it doesn't matter for now.. We wont even know if they will be able to do this for another week, so the waiting game begins.

The problem I see with replication, and remember I am being nice here, is to what degree. Give me a board, tell me to replicate another board to within an inch - no problem

Tell me to replicate that board to a half inch, a quarter inch, and eight of an inch - with each attempt it becomes harder, and thus more costly.

Now tell me to replicate that board to what it takes to hold air pressure at 100 PSI +.... you have a problem.

The first is getting the right measurements off the original - the theory behind why you don't have other mag rails (select are out there) is because you would have to measure it too closely to make it work right. Depending on how close you are measuring in three dimensions that can get really really costly.

Next is machining to those dimensions, again the tigther the tolerances, the more it costs.

I think this is one of the things that you may not be taking as seriously in your considerations as you should. It is not the overall size that is going to cost you, or even the pattern, it is the tolerances you will need to hold. Though I will admit I may be wrong on how tight those tolerances are.

[Disasster]

You're right, I've never looked into having knock off Intimidator bodies made.

However, I do have a general idea of machining costs, even in a factory with 15k workers. Especially on things that need tolerances as tight [respectively..] as paintball guns, because of the pressures involved..

man shut the *POOF* up....omg its a new body, its gota be a knock off Intimidator. Like what the *POOF*,If you say this will be a knock off then all the other 2k4 Intimidator out there except for the first one made are kock off's. You know why...well its becasue there all the same with different milling, this makeing them all of them except the first one made A I'M AN INARTICULATE TOOL AND CAN'T READ THE FORUM RULES, AND REALLY WANT TO GET BANNED FOR 3 DAYS...PLEASE, PLEASE... And i dont care who made it, or if they paid bob cause the fact is that it was a copy of the first one made makeing it a knock off in your opinion, not mine

O, and by the way, we were planing on makeing the whole gun, not just the body, not that that matters anyways cause were gona scap the idea and just try and make a whole new gun since we get all this hate on trying to make a timmy affordable to the people who have a harder time getting money.

[Pacifist_Farmer]

Do you have your marketing squared away?

What about venture capital?

Do you all have homes? Mortgage, them all.

Are you prepared to cough up all the money and then sit around for 6 weeks before they crank out the first gun?

And sure if you can buy several thousand in a whack they'll be much cheaper, but then you need storage, speaking of numbers, who's doing assembly?

Once the guns together, you gotta test some...

Oops there an operating gun, now we need warranties. Which means customer service.

oh hey now you need some more employees, oh and lawyers, cause your gonna get your a**es sued for something or another.


phew I'm tired...

[Disasster]

yes,yes,yes, and yes, i know what the consequences are and im willing to take them, i know you have to test every gun to make sure they work, i know that im probably gona get sued, i know im gona need customer service, I'v thought all of it through. Like i said, we dont even know if they can make them so i'll leave it at that.

[Digits]

Don't listen to Disasster's swearing.. He has an anger problem on forums lol..

Pacifist - A couple guys put down a million dollars so that the factory would make products with their company name on it, these same guys asked if we wanted in on it.

Also, to people talking about tolerences, I don't know if this would be the same idea.. But the factory produces a crapload of products which include things like generators. I'm sure they make products which have tight tolerences similar to paintball guns.

But yes, we decided that we would be more original. The gun we make will probablly be based after the timmy design (what isn't based after the matrix, or timmy design in todays industry? Minus the cocker and mag, which IMO are inferior designs [although I think the mag is better, but you really have to know the guns to not have any problems. But I did have an electro frame on mine, so that might of contributed]).

As for lawyers, we already have one being that their is a familly chemical company in the buisness which has been sued before. Also a cousin of the familly was one of the lawyers who represented OJ Simpson, so maybe he'd lend a helping hand if absolutly need be .