Volume or accuracy ?

[Gr0dy]

Umm Im not saying that its any harder to come out. What Im saying it is if your playing againts a good/ accurately shooting player who knows what hes doing you would be dumb to come out on 5 bps. Use your common sense . Now if there are more balls in the air it makes you even stupid for coming out and getting shot when you could wait 2 more seconds and pop out a lot safer. Now if my common sense of not getting shot for no apparent reason is dumb then I guess I suck. Use your common sense!

obviously i can't get what im saying threw your head, so i think i ll just give up

[C_22]

...but when you don't have the volume you must have the accuarcy...

It's as simple as that.

[NewMagMan21]

obviously i can't get what im saying threw your head, so i think i ll just give up

No seriously what are you saying Im trying to learn more about pball but get my point acrossed. What do you mean!!!

[NIghtStalker001]

what type of paintballer whould you say you are scenario, tournament, or recreational that might have somthing to do with the amount of paint you shoot. this is for all to reply.

[NewMagMan21]

I play all types but maily rec since our team hasn't been playing much

[tyrion2323]

(1) This is an age-old, pointless debate. You will always have a smattering of people on the extremes of either side. What many people don't realize is that these pro teams who shoot massive amounts of paint are not doing so to compensate for a lack of skill. They are the most skilled players in tournament paintball. They do so because they know that it's the best technique. They use their firepower to supplement their moving strategy. Without one or the other, the team will lose.
(2) NewMagMan21 - I'd recommend that you play a lot more tournaments before calling DaySpring dumb, or commenting on the strategies of paintball.

[Gr0dy]

No seriously what are you saying Im trying to learn more about pball but get my point acrossed. What do you mean!!!

ok ill try to explain this in the most easiest way i can, if there are 5 shots in a line holdin you in, wouldn't you peak out on 5 shots instead of 14, because with 14 shots theres more of a chance of you getting hit, im not sayin you will never get hit on a stream of 5 shots, but you may only get hit once and it bounces, but most likely if you come out on 14 you will get hit and splattered with paint.

[NewMagMan21]

I agree with that but all Im sayin is that it "shouldn't" matter it does but it "shouldn't. People shouldn't need to shoot that much to achieve the same affect. once you hit about 12-14 bps then people will start to borderline on their fingers being their skillz and then their real skillz.

[CaliMagFan]

we all want to play at the top of out game in all aspects....

shooting position and technique.

moving fast and intelligently..

outsmartting the opponent..

playing as a team....

shooting fast...

team communication...

why is it that we never hear people go on about those like: "you dont need to move quickly and fire intelligently.. it's all in XYZ skill, not movement..."

we all seem to except the other skills that i mentioned as wholly necessary for the sport of paintball, so why not shooting speed..... sure it's not the most important... but that means that you cant win a game on fast fingers alone....

stop and think for a minute before you cry about BPS..... its part of a system of skills that we all add up to play paintball...

-kyro

[jewie27]

In paintball, consistency is a better word than accuracy. We aren't shooting bullets.

[Kavall]

I would argue that the main reason the "pros" are shooting fast is because they can and that's what everyone else is doing. I would be willing to bet that if you limited the ROF of the "pros" markers to 7bps (random semi low number) that their games would look exactly the same as they do. Much slower and the bounce off factor and low ROF might become an issue, but 7-10 should just about cover it.

If you take a look at our society as a whole you will find we do a lot of things because people claim it is the best way and in reality it is just the way everyone else does it. The closest and best example I can give would be real firearms and a real gunfight. The best way to end a gunfight is to shoot someone. The best way to shoot someone is to aim, and shoot. How do we fight wars? We shoot everything we have at an attacker till something hits them! We don't aim, we don't place our shot, we just keep shooting till the otherside is dead. There have been many examples of a small group of trained soldiers taking out much larger, much greater armed forces by simple aimed fire. The main difference between real guns and paintball (from the point of the game) is accuracy, and there are no bounces. Which is why one shot kills is not a common practice on a paintball field. But 18-20 rounds per second? Let's get real.


I know that might piss some people off but it's my beleif.

[CaliMagFan]

shooting fast= owning lanes.... if you dont control the lanes in tournament level play... you're toast...

kaval========= GATLING GUN???? thats just an early example.... vulcan cannon on the a10 warthog ------ 60-80 rounds per second... and they're 30mm depleted uranium.. you cant tell me that you need more than one for a soldier.... so.. aiming does have its advantages, but the point is that if you aim and shoot more, you're likely to hit more.... because accuracy is a function of the human body, and we're not perfect... we're only human..

in a 7-10 bps touney game poeple would avoid running across lanes much less because they arent running through a rope... now they're dunning thru a tennis ball server...

-kyro...

i'm out.... europe callls me....
my last post in the USA for a while.. peace and happy holidays all

[SSMercury]

volume*accuracy=x hits

V*a=x (high rate of fire semis)

v*A=x (pump)

Benefits to both, they both do eliminations. One is FAR cheaper (don't forget marker prices, a VERY good pump is 300 dollars, MAYBE, compared to 700+ for a good semi), one is more fun. One pins down a player in speedball, the other can scare players witless in scenarios.

*****ing about which is better is moot, because it's all just opinion, and how you apply it.

Although, assuming accuracy is as good as possible, the only way to increase eliminations is to put more balls in the air, but, twice the RoF does not equal twice the eliminations, so therefore accuracy is being lost to volume.

Was someone saying the battery brought the death of old school paintball here? Ah, Vanced did. I agree.

I'm of the opinion that 10 bps is as high as ever needed. Plain gravity feeding tops at 13 or so?

[jewie27]

The only reason Pros use so much paint at such a high speed is because they don't have to pay for it. They are sponsored. Think about it, if they had to pay for paint they wouldn't be wasting a case a game.

[REDRT]

I find in normal rec ball it only takes one ball. I use my classic rt for that.
Speedball on the other hand I use the emag. Speed (bps) is needed to fire the lanes. Being a backman I have to keep multiple targets down so my front and mid players can do their jobs. The emag is very accurate, but I'm mostly shooting at air so my team can move into position. I try to hit at least one off the break. The best I ever done was three off the break, try doing that with something slow. A couple bonus balls are harder to wipe, oh yes there are people that wipe. Playing tournaments is very fun for me, but it gets to be kind of cut throat out there. One that wants to be on top needs lots practice, good team work, and reliable high speed low drag equipment.
To answer the question I say both volume and accuracy are important. Just a little more visa-versa depending on what your playing.