Is PTP wrong in what they've done regarding a pneumatic trigger?

[TheDuelist]

Again, we apologize for keeping everyone waiting on this. We do hope to revive this in the future, either when we can again justify allocating resources, or once we form partnerships that enable us to do so.

Can we give this a rest people.

[Automaggot68]

Can we give this a rest people.

Yeah. I'm tired of these threads.

[SlartyBartFast]

http://www.around.com/patent.html

But all that said, discussions here on AO or anywhere else are a waste of time. If you want a real change you need to take it to the next level and mobilise your political representatives.

[Muzikman]

^^^^

Agree 110%.

[than205]

My belief is that they won't deliver.
Certainly, not for the Mag. Particularly, now that Tom is no longer in the picture.
If PTP cannot license the idea reasonably to someone (DW) who is willing to make one for the mag, what makes anyone think that PTP will bother to tool up for the Mag?

The bottom line is that it's a shame. There is no other marker more deserving than the Mag for this upgrade.

[tony3]

EDIT: its funny how th person who voted yes does not respond. hmm osustevie

LudavicoSoldier, Muzikman, nirvana1234, osustevie, than205, tony3, UThomas

Theres all the people just so you know.

IMO, what they did legally was right. They didn't do anything wrong at all. Then again, this could of helped the growth of the sport and mechanical guns a lot. We would have 2 great mechanical frames on the market instead of just 1. How many electros do you see? Just 1, no tons. I guess I would like to see the DW frame come out and do good. I think they would of ran with the idea of it. PTP from past experiences will make a half good product and it will turn into nothing and be in the closeout section of pbgear.com for 5 months.

[WARPED1]

That's just business what PTP did, it's how democracy works. Last time I checked, PTP was a business, so is Deadlywind, they just beat them :).

[SlartyBartFast]

Anybody have a link to the PTP patent?

Thanks.

[Flossabe]

pattent

That is the whole reason for having patents, to keep what you invented yours, if the secondcoming trigger setup infringes on the patent than i see no reason in protecting it. Not to say that PTP should go and sue for $10,000,000 or any thing.

[BD_Paintball]

LudavicoSoldier, Muzikman, nirvana1234, osustevie, than205, tony3, UThomas

Theres all the people just so you know.

IMO, what they did legally was right. They didn't do anything wrong at all. Then again, this could of helped the growth of the sport and mechanical guns a lot. We would have 2 great mechanical frames on the market instead of just 1. How many electros do you see? Just 1, no tons. I guess I would like to see the DW frame come out and do good. I think they would of ran with the idea of it. PTP from past experiences will make a half good product and it will turn into nothing and be in the closeout section of pbgear.com for 5 months.

so you voted they are wrong b/c they wont make the frame as good. PTP will still have a new frame come out. and how do you know that DW's frame will be so much better then the PTP frame. I bet you have never held/shot ect. the DW frame. and you said they didnt do anything wrong at all but you still voted they were wrong. that does not make sence. he asked if they were wrong in protecting the trigger. you have to look out for your buisness befor you look out for some other company.

[SlartyBartFast]

That is the whole reason for having patents, to keep what you invented yours,

Which I don't think ANYONE has a problem with.

My overall problem is that in so many cases these days there's no "invention" being protected.

Alexander Graham Bell didn't get to patent the IDEA of talking over a wire and then take his sweet time getting around to building it and making it work. Nor did Edisson get to patent the IDEA of an incandescent lightbulb.

Both had to work nonstop and feverously to build a working prototype before someone else suceeded.

Indeed Bell only successfully PATENTED his invention first. Another inventor is claimed to be the first to have a working prototype. But the important fact is that a WORKING prototype was required. In that regard PTP has undoubtably a valid case and a good patent.

Then the other problem with modern patents. Many are similar to claiming a separate patent for the use of lightbulbs in different applications. Nothing new invented, just applying someone else's invention to an obvious application. Pneumatics or electronics for triggers for example.

And on those grounds I question PTP's grounds for a patent. Unless there is something far more astute than a three way and cylinder being used.

[JoshK]

No. Even though it royally sucks for us all. PTP Did it first, and made a patent first. They hopfully will eventually release it and we will (for the most part) be happy. This also leaves time for DW to work on this other "project" hes planning.

[WARPED1]

Alexander Graham Bell didn't get to patent the IDEA of talking over a wire and then take his sweet time getting around to building it and making it work. Nor did Edisson get to patent the IDEA of an incandescent lightbulb.

They should have and could have patented them..

[bunker17]

teufelhunden: truthfully i don't know how much did you ask for licensing from DW but i think you guys should had work something out because like fireblade said in another thread they are a 2 person operation and selling 50 frames would have done them real good. Maybe just licensing them for the mag and keeping the other markers for yourself or something like that. but has a business move it was okay. As fellow paintballers maybe there should had been some further negotiation.

[WARPED1]

See, problem on these forums is everybody thibks anyone can use everyone elses ideas. Thats called communism. See, we live in a democracy where you can protect your intelectual property. Unfortunately, the way the system works now, you don't need to be the inventor, just the guy/company who filed for the patent first. If you don't like it, tough bullets, move to Taiwan, where patents don't hold sway as far as I knowm