Crown Point Barrel Discussion

[MajorDamage]

Hey, so does this mean I can get one and a RT parts kit all for $20? If so, I am so there! Let me know! Even if it isn't the super hype barrel you made it out to be, its still cool when a parts kit costs me $15 anyways! !

ENDO!

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

i think it might be to late. i'm pretty sure he meant for those that ordered believing the hype. not positive, but pretty sure.

[beam]

Originally posted by shartley
Dangerous game you just played.

What did your whole thread prove? Absolutely nothing close to what you think it did. It proved that you can SELL some people outright, confuse others, and not even come close to fooling a few more.

Shartley: In one sentence you say that Tom's thread didn't prove what he thought it did. And then in the next sentence, you say that it proved....exactly what he wanted it to.

It proved that you can SELL some people outright, confuse others, and not even come close to fooling a few more.[/B]

We all need to relax...chill out...

Tom wanted to prove that we weren't ALL just mindless sheep that would take this site, his advice, or AGD's word as gospel. There is still a ton of myth out in this industry. AGD is working HARD to debunk it. STARTING with the myth that AO ISN'T a good testing ground and source for feedback.

[marc]

Yep, Yep I had all you fooled, all my posts were just an act to help Tom. I knew it was fake all along even when I was about to order it, I knew it was fake. For everyone including me that didnt get Toms joke, that was one. But seriously, if I order one of the barrels will I still get a parts kit, and is AGD making a new barrel, after spending all that money on testing.

[Bonx0007]

I saw it. You made alot of people putty in your hands tom. That is scary. For a while there I thought everyone was going to start saying "His name is Robert Paulson...His name is Robert Paulson" Fight Club ref. anyway. I am glad I withstood the challenge. Tom thanks for keeping us on our toes.

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

TOM I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE PUTTY IN YOUR HANDSS!!!! I WORSHIP U TOM!!! I was ready to go out and buy this barrel! man this hurt

[AGD]

Guys,

The discussion remains liveley and spirited, exactly what AO is about. Yes, maybe I threw you a curve ball and upset some people. I do appologize. The barrel really is a good deal at 20 bucks and we only have a couple dozen. If anything it has a good story behind it now. The fact of the matter is that only about 5-6 people ordered them and can cancel the orders if they like.

AGD

[FooTemps]

Actually I thought that was fun... I tried to keep everyone believing you were serious... Most people didn't belive you though.

[Whisper]

AGD,
I think that as a test this was a less than ideal subject. You have been very outspoken about barrel theory in the past, and presented a number of incongruities in your "sales pitch".

As an eye opener, however, it was terrific. It made us question our trust; question why we placed it in AGD and why we trust in general, at least in a consumer sense. The answer is that we trust AGD not only because it has been consistently honest and straightforward in the past, but also because AGD can back up what it says in the present with facts. This is a valuable lesson to everyone, trust is a great thing to have, but do your own research to make sure it is well founded.

Tom, I have lost no trust or respect for AGD due to your "test". Well done!

[MantisMag]

very few people are making any comments about his use of pseudo-science to sell the barrel. people do this all the time. they used half baked intellectual arguments that seem to make sense at first until you really look at them. many times if you don't know enough you'll be completely convinced that this person is right. the times that i see this the most often from individuals are in religion (christianity mostly) and with people trying to prove that fictional things could actually happen (comic books and sci-fi). it pops up with companies who are trying to sell products all the time.

tom mentioned a threshold that the paintball has to cross where suddenly there's a headwind. he made an analogy that is readily observable and seemed to make sense. the problem is that many people forget that air extends into the barrel. that's right. there is air in the barrel. i forget who else pointed this out. i also saw this immediately and was confused because in fact almost the opposite of what tom said is happening. there's a pressure wave that builds up in front of a paintball as it travels down the barrel. this pressure wave actually becomes less when it leaves the barrel not more. this is because the air is now able to move to the sides instead of just forward in front of the ball. so actually the resistance decreases when the ball leaves the barrel. sure the crown points would ease that pressure away. but no better than porting. in fact porting might be better. i don't know. i haven't done the research.

i personally didn't think about the bore size until after tom responded to the question about it. i think people really started getting confused once he started denying the importance of bore size. if it was just left with the first post then i think more people would have been taken in. it was much more believable and didn't go so strongly against what he's said in the past. sure if the crown points did what he said they did then the bore size might not be AS important. but completely dismissing bore size as vehemently as he did? that's what convinced me that something was really up. tom wasn't out of his mind he was up to something. hehe. i like the way he said the crown points would hold the ball in position. no explanation of how. they just do. so don't worry about it stupid. why worry about matching your paint to your bore exactly when you can just have the triangular holes do all the work for you? also the part about only the tip mattering. i could actually see that as working. shots wouldn't be very consistent but they would fly straight if the tip could somehow stabilize them right before they left the barrel. with that kind of barrel strategy you'd have a very narrow tall shot spread.

very interesting tom. i disagree with shartley. marketing and sales are very close. they are not opposite like black and white. definitely saw some marketing gimmicks pulled in. a lot of it was sales but i do think that there was some marketing. the whole advanced design ours is better than theirs thing. don't be stupid get a brain and buy this barrel instead of the others. arguments that seem to make sense until they are examined. these are all used in marketing. it's just a different marketing strategy. soda sells by product recognition. cars sell mostly by aesthetics so they go for exposure. paintball is more technical. although they do use these techniques they also sell by product knowledge. like computers they sell by spreading information that leads people to believe in their performance. a lot of you know quite a bit about computers and you'll understand. does a faster processor make your internet faster? no not unless your processor is EXTREMELY outdated. but i still see ads about computers with faster processors so that they can surf the web better. how about a graphics card? will that enhance your web browsing experience? not likely. and yet it sells computers on the basis of improved online performance. because people don't know. just like people don't know the physics to understand why paintball products don't work the way they are purported to. anyway that's enough. i think my post may be longer than shartley's. maybe not. pretty long though.

oh and if i was wrong about anything i said about the physics of paintball... oops. i didn't do any research that's just from my understanding of physics. hopefully i got it right. i did get an A in physics.

[DrEvil]

yeah I almost bought one. If only they came in chrome...

[Thordic]

Are you still going to sell the barrels? If you have a pile left over, I still want one! I told my dad to buy me one for my birthday in two weeks.

Its not about the hype, I just want a tuning fork for a barrel!!! :)

Keep them up in the store if you have the stock to support them, Tom, please!

[Snooky]

Um Something seemed wierd but i read through it and it did seem to make a little sense because it was tom saying it. Well i have to admit i fell for it however i have one of these barrels and people had talked so much about them being crap it didnt make sense. Im still gonna try mine out though had it for 2 years never shot a ball through it.

[joeyjoe367]

... So the people who were fooled got Crown point barrels AND a parts kit?!?!?

I wish I were more gullable

[hitech]

In case anyone is interested, I checked with the two friends of mine who ordered the barrels. One hadn't read the "post" and the other just thought it was funny. Neither bought it because of the hype, and neither wants to cancel their order. I've also decided that since i'll be getting a barrel and a parts kit for $20 I'll get over being used.

P.S. Tom, I'm still waiting for the stock mini mag barrels for $20. :)