what would u rather have ? a5 or mag ?

[AnimalMother]

I've got both. I use the Mag (E-Mag) most of the time but I've got the A-5 for the times when CO2 is the only thing I can get. Of course that doesn't happen very often.

Yeah, I guess that will be something a Tippmann will always have over a Mag, it can use CO2. Gotta give 'em props for being so technologically advanced.

[Soopa Villain17]

ahahaha

[TheTramp]

Gotta give 'em props for being so technologically advanced.

That's right versatility is a stupid idea.

[Little_Ho]

Hi

my first Marker was a A5 with E-Gripp. Dont get me wrong but i liked it. No trouble and ok (at that time) for me.
I started out to shoot a Mag from a Friend of mine. And I liked all about the Mag from the first Touching it. After that i was reading alot and decided i get one.

Well long story short....i have 3 very well Shooting Mags plus 2 almost done.
I also have a B2K4 and a VF Tactical. But I mainly shoot the Mag because is a reliable fast shooting Marker.....

Little_Ho

[HarrysSon]

Automag totally outmatches Tippmann.

[PumpPlayer]

Tell your stupid friend that AGD's been around since the 80s, and only one of three companies that are still around from that era. I doubt Tippmann's one of them.

*Ahem* Actually they are... Tippmann made one of the first semi-autos and the first full-auto long before AGD ever started manufacturing markers at all. They developed the basis and configuration for every blowback-style marker since then (hammer linked to bolt, bolt hits valve and fires gas in two directions to both fire and recock). Tippmann is one of the longest-standing companies out there and certainly more than three have survived since the 80's. Palmer's, WGP, and CCI just to name a few and there are plenty more.

We're talking apples and oranges, here. 'Mags are high performance and rugged and designed to be so. Tippmanns are designed with beginers in mind and are virtually indestructible. Moreover, Tippmanns have easily the best performance of any blowback-style marker out there.

I won't go into specific pros and cons of each, but keep in mind that we're debating two systems that were designed completely differently. You can't really choose a "best" except based on personal opinion. Now, I believe the original question was, "Which marker is better for woodsball?" This can be answered based on fact. The only factor is your playing style. If you play fast and aggressive and need the light weight and fast firing of the 'mag, then that's your choice any day. But keep in mind that the A-5 was designed for woodsball, works well for woodsball and is really hard to beat for woodsball. Especially in the price range.

I love AGD - their products are fantastic. However, Tippmanns have different appeal and I love them too. My advice is to stop arguing and just play over it. Besides, you'll never convince each other who is "right". Though both of you could use a dab of history...

[Jakedubbleya]

Moreover, Tippmanns have easily the best performance of any blowback-style marker out there.

?what is it exactly that makes them perform to a superior degree as compared to a spyder/pirahna etc.?

[MadPSIence]

Right now.. for me. Unless it's a custom hyperframed electro mag then I'd rather have an A-5 E. I am actually switching to one when my mag is sold. Having an electronic mag is too expensive.. I can have an electro A-5 for 220 + 99 and from there, there are a few mods I would add being comp air, RVA, spring kit, good reg, and some other minor stuff but in the end it's a hella good gun.

Simply put.. a mag and an A-5 are probably equally reliable. Mags.. for the most part are built of extremely high quality. A-5's .. may be a little cheap in their shells but are very sturdy and respectable guns. The problem with mags is that they have lost their popularity and cannot even compete with other guns in terms of pricing. A basic custom mag will cost you about 440 bucks without any barrel or anything and that's just because Rogue has awesome prices. Mine cost me 600 dollars before I modified it or had a barrel kit.

A maxxed out A-5 will run you under 500 if you shop smart. By maxxed out I mean 15bps electro low pressure goodness. An electronic mag performing at that level will be.. well a hyperframe or X-Mag.. or devilmag. top dollar.

So in the end.. well.. I'd say the 2 are damn good and I can't find any reason to pick one over the other except PRICE.

[PumpPlayer]

?what is it exactly that makes them perform to a superior degree as compared to a spyder/pirahna etc.?

Quite simple: Superior parts and construction.

But I think what you're really asking is: "On what basis can I claim that Tippmanns perform better than spyders?" To that I can only say this: Pick up a spyder, no paint, no air. Look at it, turn it over, dry fire it a few times. Feel the trigger wobble and feel how uneven the pull is. Hear the grinding of sliding parts and the *ping* of the valve. Now pick up a Tippmann and do the same thing. Notice that the trigger is rigid but smooth and that the action is tight and doesn't wobble. The Tippmann bolt has a nice *shlunk* to the valve and the parts are better protected and with a better fit. Of course, I am talking about two bone-stock markers between which the price varies considerably (up to 100%).

When you fire it, the Tippmann has a natural *point* to it and stays on target easily. The spyder is unballanced and drifts more readily. The Tippmann is ergonomically correct and feels good to shoot whereas the Spyder is just a blob of aluminum bolted to a pistol grip.

The valve system of Tippmanns is also somewhat more consistent and provides closer shot-to-shot velocities. This doesn't make it more accurate, just more consistent. Consistency coupled with an ease of aiming, the average new player will find that the Tippmann is more 'accurate', though this has only to do with being easier to fire.

Do you want to talk rate of fire? Let's not. Why? Because the rate of fire on both markers is limired by the trigger system and therefore moot. Sure we can get an e-grip to solve the problem, but that's not what we're talking about. People hear the word "performance" and they think "rate of fire". They're not the same. People are excited about Ions because they can shoot 18 bps. So what? There's more to performance than ROF. Tippmanns are the best of the best when it comes to semi- blowbacks because they are easy to shoot, consistent, reliable and smooth as compared with almost everything else out there. That's exactly why in this time of electro-driven speed markers, Tippmann can justify a $200+ blowback marker - because it really is worth it.

Don't get me wrong, adjusted for price they're the same... but in this case, you get what you pay for and qualitatively, Tippmanns far surpass the spyders that are out there.

[sbpyro]

I'd say the mag
but add a siphon tube on a tippmann
and run it on liquid co 2 in the winter
My first gun was a tippmann 68 carbine (recently broken )
Then I went up to a mag.
I find that both guns are reliable but the mag is so much easier to maintain.

[Lupis Fidelis]

Are you kidding me?

This has to be one of the dumbest arguements ever. There's no question an Automag is FAR supierior to an A5. The A5 relies upon uneducated buyers and gimics. The "Flatline" in my opinion is bogus because the balls always bounce at extended range. The cyclone feed system in itself is a flaw in that if the hopper or feed system breaks, your gun is out for the count. An A5 with all the bells and whistles(Nitro, Flatline ect.) weighs so much the owners are embarassed to let others even hold it.

Tippmann A5= Entry level
Automag= serious player

[TheTramp]

....People hear the word "performance" and they think "rate of fire". They're not the same....There's more to performance than ROF....

Very well put!

[TheTramp]

An A5 with all the bells and whistles(Nitro, Flatline ect.) weighs so much the owners are embarassed to let others even hold it.

I'm an owner and am in no way "embarrassed to let others even hold it." It's really a shame that you're so unable to appreciate something other than what you own or wish you could own.

[Jakedubbleya]

what, about such a simple and similar valve system, would make it more consitant?

Ive done a bit of work at one of our local fields, we have a mix of pro carbines 98 customs and spyder compacts. The tippies break down just as much as the compacts, although the compacts do require a bit more maintenance. Most kids who rent prefer to rent the compacts.

Ive gone through many spyders in my time (im an upgrade/tinker freak) and yes, the newer spyders feel very "loose". Thats why i recommend other brands/spyder clones, specifically the Bob Long Spyder/millenium if you can get a hold of one. That puppy would rival a tippie any day.

I believe its mostly personal preferance, i dont buy any of that super-tippman bs, if you take decent care of a spyder clone it wil last just as long and perform just as well.

Spyder is just a blob of aluminum glued to a frame? I could say the same thing about bushies, imps, mags, etc. That ergo stuff has nothign to do with performance, personally i cant stand that rifle feel the tippman has, it literally messes up my snap shooting.

Imo, tippies are ugly, loud, a pain to upgrade, and their trigger mech's are all horrible. Oh, and over-priced unless you really need a gun that doesnt care if you dont take care of it, which is fine.

[Lohman446]

Tell your stupid friend that AGD's been around since the 80s, and only one of three companies that are still around from that era. I doubt Tippmann's one of them.

As has been pointed out, when comparing longevity in the past (and for that matter the likelihood of existing in five years if judged from a consumer only standpoint) yout may want to do a little research before calling anyone stupid, st.... ok, I won't go there