what would u rather have ? a5 or mag ?

[Jakedubbleya]

And as an afterthought, give me around HALF the money you saved by buying a Spyder Xtra instead of a Pro Basic and a few simple household tools(wire cutters, 2 drill bits, plyers, candle) and i will make your spyder/clone 80% more efficient than it was (at least), quiet, seldom chopping (using healthy paint you will only pinch the ball), low pressure, and as consistant as the 50$ regulator i bought for it. All without harming the general reliability of the gun, and any of these mods can be done at home by anyone in around 5 hrs.

Like, take your pick. 160$ "hardy" blowback, or 100$ regulated, low pressure blowback.

[Lohman446]

This has to be one of the dumbest arguements ever. There's no question an Automag is FAR supierior to an A5. The A5 relies upon uneducated buyers and gimics. The "Flatline" in my opinion is bogus because the balls always bounce at extended range. The cyclone feed system in itself is a flaw in that if the hopper or feed system breaks, your gun is out for the count. An A5 with all the bells and whistles(Nitro, Flatline ect.) weighs so much the owners are embarassed to let others even hold it.

Tippmann A5= Entry level
Automag= serious player

Define serious player please.

[Jack & Coke]

What are you going to use as a propellant?

HPA or CO2?

For HPA, probably a mag...

However, if I decided to use CO2, I would definately choose an A-5 over a mag.

[peewee]

Having owned both my preference is the automag. Both guns are top of the food chain for woods ball the mag gets the nod for speed ball before the A5 for the sleek small design.

MadPSIence I disagree about mags loosing their popularity in this current time frame. Mags fell out of favor a few years ago & as of late have made a turn around. I see more & more when I go play. But lets face it Tippmann ownes woodsball.

[68magOwner]

...mag isnt 20ft long

[MadPSIence]

about A-5's being just for uneducated newbs and being only entry level..

eff off. i'm selling my mag FOR an A-5.

[tipp-ed off]

about A-5's being just for uneducated newbs and being only entry level..

eff off. i'm selling my mag FOR an A-5.

You don't have a clue of whats going on, do you? Don't blame the Mag for your mishaps. Work on your skillz as a paintballer first.

[Lohman446]

You don't have a clue of whats going on, do you? Don't blame the Mag for your mishaps. Work on your skillz as a paintballer first.

YOu do note in most of this thread people were arguing the merits of hte marker... when someone makes an attempt to argue that the merits of the marker may favor the Tippman (not making a judgement on this myself) the defense is "marker doesn't matter, its the skill". Nice argument if you don't beleive your marker can compete with others on its merits (though not saying here is the case). It also seems to be the argument when comparing mags to superguns of today.

[shorty24]

I'd have to go with mags - small, fast, etc. I don't think reliability is much of an issue, as both the mag and tippy are virtually indestructable (seriously, my friend actually backed both wheels of his car over his tippy on accident, and the only damage was some scratches). The tippy is FAR cheaper, and for woodsball is an incredible gun. Don't get me wrong, I love my mag, but you HAVE to respect the tippy for what it is...I mean, seriously, is there anyone out there who started paintball in the woods with a couple friends who hasn't been wasted by a tippy? One thing, tho - I never did like the rifle feel of the 98c, and we won't even talk about it's fieldstrippability...first time I worked on one, I got the two halves disassembled, and promptly got shot in the eye with a spring. Several other pieces rolled off the table onto the floor, and haven't been seen since... But hey, it still worked when I finally got it back together. A5 imo is restricted by its feeding mechanism - and it would have helped to make the internal parts of the mechanism out of aluminum or something. The plastic ratchet in the feedneck is one of the first things to break on almost every A5 I've seen.

[HOMELANDEFENDER]

This has to be one of the dumbest arguements ever. There's no question an Automag is FAR supierior to an A5. The A5 relies upon uneducated buyers and gimics. The "Flatline" in my opinion is bogus because the balls always bounce at extended range. The cyclone feed system in itself is a flaw in that if the hopper or feed system breaks, your gun is out for the count. An A5 with all the bells and whistles(Nitro, Flatline ect.) weighs so much the owners are embarassed to let others even hold it.

Tippmann A5= Entry level
Automag= serious player

Wow , I guess your a SERIOUS player. -- I happen to be a Tac One owner who started with a Pro/Carbine AND still shoots the A5. No flaming here, but if the people of whom you come across have a problem holding the "big and heavy" Tippmann --- maybe they should go lift some weights. Maybe start with 5 lb arm curls. If you make statements that buyers of A5 are "uneducated" , I assume and hope you mean uneducated in the ways of paintball gear - Right?

The A5 is the ONLY quality marker that has the look and feel and upgrades that other so called mil sim markers promise, but do not deliver. The A5 is heavier sure, but try falling on top of some lesser marker as you attack a snow and ice covered position, then only to get up and continue the assault without issue -- doubt MANY other brands could handle that kind of abuse. I've put over 20,000 rounds through my cyclone feed without any failure. The problem with the A5 is mostly surrounding the E Grip, simply because its not upto the durablity of the rest of the gun. They should "can it" for a better design. Its peolple that value high ROF the made the E Grip a hot seller. But Tippmann should have put more R&D into it. Just for the record, if owners of A5's are embarrased so much, why do they sell so many? And it isn't just good marketing. The A5 built is name and Rep from providing tank like reliability and above average accuracy for a modest price. If gimmicks were the only reason for its success, the word would get around real quick.

I'm glad you like your AGD "investments" -- I wouldn't own one if I didn't believe in the product as well. But I think jabbing other people to make YOUR point is acting like you're UNEDUCATED.

HLD...

By the way --- I still can GOG so called "experts" carrying 40 bps wunder guns with my Pro/Carbine shooting a blazing 3 bps. I don't think the Tac One makes me a better player. The Tac One just makes me a satisfied AGD owner.

[VFX_Fenix]

Well... it all depends on what I'm out to do, but most of the time I'll reach for my E-Mag before my A-5 just because of the style of ball I usually end up playing. In the woods though, there's nothing like that 37" piece of aluminum and plastic that I call my A-5

[Wheelman]

Chris, I can't belive you're having a petty argument with a kid who's paintball experience doen't extend past isle 10 at Wal*Mart. I guess I'll have to bring my gear over sometime and we can prove a point.

While the A-5 isn't a bad gun, I'd still have to ditch it for a pro carbine if I could only run CO2 (but then again, classic valves can run CO2 also )

[UTDragun]

Quite simple: Superior parts and construction.

But I think what you're really asking is: "On what basis can I claim that Tippmanns perform better than spyders?" To that I can only say this: Pick up a spyder, no paint, no air. Look at it, turn it over, dry fire it a few times. Feel the trigger wobble and feel how uneven the pull is. Hear the grinding of sliding parts and the *ping* of the valve. Now pick up a Tippmann and do the same thing. Notice that the trigger is rigid but smooth and that the action is tight and doesn't wobble. The Tippmann bolt has a nice *shlunk* to the valve and the parts are better protected and with a better fit. Of course, I am talking about two bone-stock markers between which the price varies considerably (up to 100%).

When you fire it, the Tippmann has a natural *point* to it and stays on target easily. The spyder is unballanced and drifts more readily. The Tippmann is ergonomically correct and feels good to shoot whereas the Spyder is just a blob of aluminum bolted to a pistol grip.

The valve system of Tippmanns is also somewhat more consistent and provides closer shot-to-shot velocities. This doesn't make it more accurate, just more consistent. Consistency coupled with an ease of aiming, the average new player will find that the Tippmann is more 'accurate', though this has only to do with being easier to fire.

Do you want to talk rate of fire? Let's not. Why? Because the rate of fire on both markers is limired by the trigger system and therefore moot. Sure we can get an e-grip to solve the problem, but that's not what we're talking about. People hear the word "performance" and they think "rate of fire". They're not the same. People are excited about Ions because they can shoot 18 bps. So what? There's more to performance than ROF. Tippmanns are the best of the best when it comes to semi- blowbacks because they are easy to shoot, consistent, reliable and smooth as compared with almost everything else out there. That's exactly why in this time of electro-driven speed markers, Tippmann can justify a $200+ blowback marker - because it really is worth it.

Don't get me wrong, adjusted for price they're the same... but in this case, you get what you pay for and qualitatively, Tippmanns far surpass the spyders that are out there.

except your custmized a5 with those upgrades would be closer to 600
get a used emag for 600
id even get a top of the line spyder before an a5

[UTDragun]

While the A-5 isn't a bad gun, I'd still have to ditch it for a pro carbine if I could only run CO2

i agree

[Jack & Coke]

While the A-5 isn't a bad gun, I'd still have to ditch it for a pro carbine if I could only run CO2 (but then again, classic valves can run CO2 also )

Yes, mag classic valve "can" use CO2... but you better not shoot too fast, and be sure not to get any liquid CO2 in the valve! If you do, the mag valve will freeze up.

The Tippy CVX valve is far less temperamental than the mag valve when it comes to a steady diet of CO2 gas or CO2 liquid. You must to take extra precautions when trying to use CO2 in a mag valve just to get it to work consistantly (best results are with a vert bottle or remote setup).

(regarding A-5 vs Pro-Carbine)

i agree..

i disagee.

IMO, the A-5 is superior to the Pro-carbine:

• A-5 has a great built-in feeding system. The Cyclone Feed System practically eliminates any chance of chopping. Pro-carbine does not come with a built in feeding system, and it WILL chop more often (due to inconsistant feeding).
• A-5 can be easily upgraded to E-grip or Response Trigger System
• Very easy to clean and maintain with its no tool field strip feature.
• A-5 rated 15+bps, Pro-Carbine rated only 7bps (per Tippmann website)