what would u rather have ? a5 or mag ?

[Wheelman]

Who gives a damn about rate of fire when you're sittin' in the woods? The pro carbine is one of thse (like the mag) that is awsome for what it is, doesn't need hundereds of dollars in upgrades. But like everything it's all personal preference. I think the whole rate of fire thing has gotten out of hand anyway, too many people judge a marker by how fast it says you can shoot, instead of how well it is built. I have own'ed several tippmans and several mags, I can't say as I am real impressed with the a5, just doesn't have the feel of a Tippmann (the tippmann that I remember anyway) I used to get one hell of an upper body workout with my old 98's. Which are great once you upgrade the hell out of them, but you get what you pay for.


I knew the classic valve could run CO2 (and what needed to be done to use it) I should have put the outside the perenthises to show that it would be a difficult choice rather than looking like I wasn't sure

[TheTramp]

id even get a top of the line spyder before an a5

Wow. All I can really say is that I guess everyone has their prefrences.

[JackRock]

This has to be one of the dumbest arguements ever. There's no question an Automag is FAR supierior to an A5. The A5 relies upon uneducated buyers and gimics. The "Flatline" in my opinion is bogus because the balls always bounce at extended range. The cyclone feed system in itself is a flaw in that if the hopper or feed system breaks, your gun is out for the count. An A5 with all the bells and whistles(Nitro, Flatline ect.) weighs so much the owners are embarassed to let others even hold it.

Tippmann A5= Entry level
Automag= serious player

Not sure if I should be insulted or try to get this post "America's Funniest Forum Posts".

I own both an automag and an A5. I have used both extensively. And I use my A5 nowadays far more than my 'Mag. So, let's go over the above post step by step.

1. Uneducated buyers and gimmicks - That's calling most of the paintballing world stupid. The A5 itself is one of the most reliable markers on the market today. While, true, it wouldn't hold up to the performance of a 'Mag, it will keep shooting in circumstances when a mag would have long since died its last death.

2. Flatline balls bouncing - Get better paint. Mine break regularly, even at extended ranges.

3. Cyclone/Hopper breaks, and it's over for the marker - This is true for any marker unless you have a spare hopper. It's easy enough to get a spare or upgrade to an R5. What happens when a Halo or Egg hopper's motor fails? It's just as likely to fail as a Cyclone, and also has the added issue of requiring batteries which run out.

4. Owners embarrassed - Who have you been asking? Yes, my marker weighs more than some do. But last I checked, the game was called "Paintball", not "Let's see who has the lightest marker". Grow some arm strength. Carrying an A5 is nothing compared to carrying around an M16A2, which is considered light for weapons. Try carrying an M240B at 25+ pounds.

So am I embarrassed? Hell no. I'm proud of the consistency, durability, reliability, accuracy and range I get out of my flatlined A5. Am I undereducated? I doubt after 12 years of playing with nearly every type of marker out there at some point or another.

This poll is biased beyond belief, given that it's given on a site that is specifically dedicated to one of the choices. If you posted this on a tippmann site or the A5 Owner's Group, you'd get the exact reverse answer. Most of my team uses A5s. None use automags as their primary. Think about that.

[jenarelJAM]

3. Cyclone/Hopper breaks, and it's over for the marker - This is true for any marker unless you have a spare hopper. It's easy enough to get a spare or upgrade to an R5. What happens when a Halo or Egg hopper's motor fails? It's just as likely to fail as a Cyclone, and also has the added issue of requiring batteries which run out.

GET A QLOADER
1. no batteries
2. "hopper breaks" and you stick in a new pod, take the old one and set it aside for the rest of the day, fix it later. problem solved.
3. fast as heck, never worry about ball chops/misfeeds etc.
4. lowers profile quite a bit.

i just posted that becasue i thought it was funny how it deosnt have any of the problems you just mentioned about other hoppers.

as far as the mag vs. a-5 debate:
A-5 is a great gun with some particular advantages towards woodsball, but if we take away the *illegal* RT and e-grip, it is a bulky, slow pea shooter. it fires far(courtesy of the flatline) and accurately, and it doesn't have many problems. However, the mag has a few advantages which i think are more worthwhile. first, the mag is a blowforward marker, and when it runs out of air, it doesn't start bouncing the bolt back and forth like crazy, occasionally chopping a ball. thats a little issue however. the mag too requires almost no maintenance at all. the mag can be field stripped by taking out one thumb screw and pulling out the valve. additionally, the entire mechanism for shooting the gun is housed int he valve/bolt combo. the rest of the gun is amazingly simple, requiring only a sear to be pulled. this makes it alot easier to spot the few tech prooblems that come up. the mag has the lvl10 bolt, which almost completely eliminates chopping, and it can be installed on the cheapest AGD marker. its like the flatline fits on the A-5, but requires modification before it can be installed on the other tippman markers. the lxl 10 is a drop in upgrade for ANY AGD marker. almost all of the AGD and assorted dealers are compatible with any other product. the automag has been around for as long as paintball has never needed to evolve. the higher end mags(rt pro, emag, xmag, sfl) are all based on the original design(not including electronics and triggers) then there is the bulkiness issue. it might be argued that if you cant lift the A-5, you need to get more muscle, but i would prefer a smaller gun personally, because it is less likely to get hit. i decided to not buy into the whole lightness hype when i bought my marker, and i got the emag witht he big battery pack on the front, but i noticed that the mainbody has only a single bore(compared to almost any other marker that has two or more bores with valves etc.) and is therefore shorter. that means less area to hit on your gun. the A-5 may shoot accurately compared to a spyder, but compared to a mag, i believe they are both made with enough quality control to be of comparable accuracy. i know that i was amazed at my friends 98c shooting darts with the stock 8" barrel when i had my 14" teardrop'd spyder, but when using my mag, i shoot and hit where i am aiming 99% of the time(not including the fact that paintballs are inacurate themselves). i would give tippmans credit for being able to use a siphon tube in the winter to make co2 more consistant. i dont think most people find that using precautions for co2 int heir classic valves is much of a problem though, and if accuracy/consistancy are really important to you, hpa would inprove the performance of either gun.
conclusion: i believe that when people buy guns, they generally put some time and efort into thinking baout hwat they want and what would be best for them. they might not notice mags because AGD doesn't advertise, but a lot of people still chose A-5's over the rest of the crop. this shows that A-5's are specifically suited to a large majority of individuals. then there are mags, where the owners proudly get bashed at every opportunity on pbnation, and still have company loyalty to AGD for their great products. this shows how well built and special mags are, and how satisfied buyers are with their products. all in all, (and i know it has been said so many times, i am sick of it myself) it really depends on the person buying it whether they want the A-5 or the mag, because both are great guns, and both have their unique advantages.

[Wheelman]

.....The A5 itself is one of the most reliable markers on the market today. While, true, it wouldn't hold up to the performance of a 'Mag, it will keep shooting in circumstances when a mag would have long since died its last death.

okay, name one?

[shartley]

okay, name one?

Running straight CO2 into it.

(Unless it was a classic Mag.)

[Food Rules]

I actually played with an A-5 while getting money to buy a mag. I hated it!!!!! It broke too much paint. Ever since I used my mag I have never broken a ball.
MAGS RULE WITH AN IRON FIST!!!!

[overkill8000]

tac one hands down

tippmanns are great guns in their own respects but i would have to reccomend a m98 with rt before an a-5 those feed sytems suck and get hit ALOT!

i got one and have never had a hopper problem i have a rt and never out ran the hopper or chopped as for hit they do take hits but usally if it hits there you were gonna get hit anyways

secondly your on a mag site its not really a no brainer but mags were gonna be choosen hands down 20 1 but go to a tippy site and it will be a diff story

[Chronobreak]

fact is if your shooting out the right side thats another 3" x 2" that can be hit and you cant hide...FACT, and if its out further than you chances are you would not have gotten hit there.

if you thing a tippy is better than a mag your kidding yourself...

each gun has its own strengths and weaknesses and your fine with either one and theyr my two most fav guns out of EVERYTHING,yes angels,dm4 ,timmy, w/e

ide expect a little biased from the owners group forum but for the msot part if you read all those post there is little to none...

its about preferance mainly and what you want/need.

i would rather pay more for a nisce low profile stock mag w/vert feed low weight etc etc

if i couldnt afford nitro or needed alot of shots then a tippmann is the way to go.
but i dont like the feed systems(side feed) and the triggerpull is very clunky.

if the choice was btwn a classic mag and m98..stock die go with the m98, if i could add w/e ups i wanted i would go with the mag.

[overkill8000]

i would rather have a mag too
but why do ppl post stuff like that when it is biaos here
and if you stick you gun out and around it expouse you elbow by like 4 inch
and if you tuck in you are exposeing 2 to 3 inch
so really it doesnt matter on that point.

ps like i said i would rather have a mag too

[Lupis Fidelis]

Not sure if I should be insulted or try to get this post "America's Funniest Forum Posts".

I own both an automag and an A5. I have used both extensively. And I use my A5 nowadays far more than my 'Mag. So, let's go over the above post step by step.

1. Uneducated buyers and gimmicks - That's calling most of the paintballing world stupid. The A5 itself is one of the most reliable markers on the market today. While, true, it wouldn't hold up to the performance of a 'Mag, it will keep shooting in circumstances when a mag would have long since died its last death.

2. Flatline balls bouncing - Get better paint. Mine break regularly, even at extended ranges.

3. Cyclone/Hopper breaks, and it's over for the marker - This is true for any marker unless you have a spare hopper. It's easy enough to get a spare or upgrade to an R5. What happens when a Halo or Egg hopper's motor fails? It's just as likely to fail as a Cyclone, and also has the added issue of requiring batteries which run out.

4. Owners embarrassed - Who have you been asking? Yes, my marker weighs more than some do. But last I checked, the game was called "Paintball", not "Let's see who has the lightest marker". Grow some arm strength. Carrying an A5 is nothing compared to carrying around an M16A2, which is considered light for weapons. Try carrying an M240B at 25+ pounds.

So am I embarrassed? Hell no. I'm proud of the consistency, durability, reliability, accuracy and range I get out of my flatlined A5. Am I undereducated? I doubt after 12 years of playing with nearly every type of marker out there at some point or another.

This poll is biased beyond belief, given that it's given on a site that is specifically dedicated to one of the choices. If you posted this on a tippmann site or the A5 Owner's Group, you'd get the exact reverse answer. Most of my team uses A5s. None use automags as their primary. Think about that.

1.By uneducated I meant for the most part the young kids who get a Tippmann because it's base model is affordable. In the long run, to make an A5 compete with a mag you're gonna have to pay as much as a mag if not more.
Also, could you give an example of a circumstance when a mag will die and an A5 will keep going? I personally find that hard to believe.

2. I don't want to have to worry about paint, neither should you. As a traveling scenario player you have to make due with the event paint.

3. The feed is part of the gun and most fields wont have extra hoppers for A5s. If it breaks you're out of luck. If my hopper goes down I bet I can find an old viewloader pretty quickly.

4.You're right the game is called "paintball" what does your M16A2 or M240B have to do with anything? The fact is I don't enjoy a heavy marker, to my knowledge, not many players do.

Yes maybe it is biased but what do you expect?
I did not mean to offend as I have done, I should have chosen my words more carefully, sorry.

How many members of your team own an Automag?

[Jack & Coke]

Also, could you give an example of a circumstance when a mag will die and an A5 will keep going? I personally find that hard to believe.

Liquid CO2


Liquid CO2 you say??!@!$^

Who wants that?!

Well, if you're using CO2 (for whatever reason), there's a good chance it will eventually happen...

(unless you're running anti-siphon, dual stabs... but then again, you can't do that on a mag ).

Anyways, if you accidentally get any in your gun, the o-rings in the mag valve WILL freeze up and your mag will stop working (i.e. "die"). You will have to wait a little bit for the valve to thaw out before you can shoot another paintball.

Will a mag work with CO2?

Of course! However, EXTRA care and precautions must be taken... and we all know how extra careful we are when we're in a paint slinging fire-fight, right?

The Tippy CVX valve can eat up liquid CO2, no problem. Will it give you consistant shot to shot velocity performance? Hell NO! But, at least you will still be able to shoot paint at your opponent.

Anyways, this is an example as you requested.

[Lupis Fidelis]

Thanks

That's a good example. I run HPA on my mag and have never had to worry about something like that. One of the reasons I got a mag was because I knew I would be using HPA.

I saw a whole lot of problems with A5s and 98s this winter , my mag kept humming all day though .


I don't want to bash on Tippmanns really I was an original owner of a 68special back in 92.



Paintball rules.

[yakitori]

mag> A5

[Wheelman]

Few years back I was playing with a tippmann and co2, crono'd in at around 275, after I fired about 50 shot I got spot checked and it was shooting damn close to 350, I had HPA the next day.

They can't like liquid all that much