Mag or Ion

[Asian_Sensation]

what problems was it. Most problems that hey have are because they are bought by noobs. Ive seen ppl trying to put gun oil in them. Ive seen ppl turn the reg up above 200psi. Ive seen ppl do lotsa things that cause them to screw up. The ion is not junk. Stop hating SP just because of a lawsuit. Just because YOU are loyal to YOUR mag doesnt mean the ion is junk.

they had problems with leaking on one of them. i didnt really pay attention to the others. your probally right about them being noobs, the kids just got into paintball like amonth ago so you may be right. and i dont just hate SP for the lawsuit but why do you think they released the ION? so they can get into the sales bracket of entry level players...(the market for this area in markers is quite huge, i believe its the largest in money making.) aka make more money and also they plan on sucking the newer generation into there products for future purchases.... in essence its a great marketing tactic.... hence them being a only in it for the money company.

also im sorry to the DR about none of this being useful umm here is some reviews of the ion from Facefull.
+good
Price, Break beam sensors, Magnetic Trigger, Simple operation, gripping feed tube, durable dual detents,firing modes, and interchangeable bodies.
-bad
cannot be field stripped... poor gas efficiency,,,,,,,,plastic trigger........and its slow(dont agree 17bps it definitly fast enough)

[yakitori]

Im willing to bet the leak was from not being lubed properly, or taking it apart and not reassembling it properly. I do agree, the trigger is not the greatest, but its workable. Delrin triggers or CP trigger can alleviate that though. Its efficiency is decent ~ 1200 on a 68/4500 fill. Thats stock. W/ QEV more like 1500+ on a 68/4500. Thats more than many other guns. Facefull mag is also not the best source for ratings. I personally feel it is biased.

Im not bragging about the Ion for nothing. Trust me, Ive shot my fair share of guns, both highend, and lowend to know the differences. The Ion has impressed most ppl who have shot it simply because it shoots like a high end gun, but a fraction of the cost. I know ppl who have sold thier timmys to get an ion and have mad cash left over for fees, paint, and playing ball. It may dissappiont a lot of ppl, but the truth is its a great gun.

Mag has strong points too though, dont get me wrong. I love mags for what they are. At the same time I give credit where it is due. And EVERY company is in it for the money. AGDs stuff is not cheap. Lets face it. It is built to last though. They are great guns. Its just price that is my concern.

[Asian_Sensation]

Im willing to bet the leak was from not being lubed properly, or taking it apart and not reassembling it properly. I do agree, the trigger is not the greatest, but its workable. Delrin triggers or CP trigger can alleviate that though. Its efficiency is decent ~ 1200 on a 68/4500 fill. Thats stock. W/ QEV more like 1500+ on a 68/4500. Thats more than many other guns. Facefull mag is also not the best source for ratings. I personally feel it is biased.

Im not bragging about the Ion for nothing. Trust me, Ive shot my fair share of guns, both highend, and lowend to know the differences. The Ion has impressed most ppl who have shot it simply because it shoots like a high end gun, but a fraction of the cost. I know ppl who have sold thier timmys to get an ion and have mad cash left over for fees, paint, and playing ball. It may dissappiont a lot of ppl, but the truth is its a great gun.

Mag has strong points too though, dont get me wrong. I love mags for what they are. At the same time I give credit where it is due. And EVERY company is in it for the money. AGDs stuff is not cheap. Lets face it. It is built to last though. They are great guns. Its just price that is my concern.

wow i agree, good call.

[slade]

Most problems that hey have are because they are bought by noobs.

heheheh, i thought that was sorta funny. its a $300 marker, who do you think its targeted at?

Its efficiency is decent ~ 1200 on a 68/4500 fill. Thats stock. W/ QEV more like 1500+ on a 68/4500.

mind telling me how QEVs improve efficiency?

[frop]

^^ Players stepping up after their first gun & experieced players looking for good bang for their buck??

Maybe it's just me, but I think $300 is still too much for a pure noob gun.(That's what spyders are for :) )

[yakitori]

heheheh, i thought that was sorta funny. its a $300 marker, who do you think its targeted at?


mind telling me how QEVs improve efficiency?

^^ agreed. Its not a noob gun, but lotsa noobs buy them. That is why everyone complains of probs. They are not used to having a gun that you have to actually maintain, albiet maintainance isnt that difficult. And 300 is not a noob price range anyway.

well it allows you to lower your dwell from 16ms stock (52 blinks) to 5.5 (mines at that, or 10 blinks). I also was able to drop my inline pressure from 180 stock to 120-130psi w/ after installing the QEV and still chrono at 270-280. it also allow for quick exhaust of the pressure holding the bolt back allowing for faster cycling rates instead of the air having to travel through the hose back to the noid, and keeps grease out of the noid. Increases efficiency by 20-30%.

Anything else you want to know?

[slade]

well it allows you to lower your dwell from 16ms stock (52 blinks) to 5.5 (mines at that, or 10 blinks). I also was able to drop my inline pressure from 180 stock to 120-130psi w/ after installing the QEV and still chrono at 270-280. it also allow for quick exhaust of the pressure holding the bolt back allowing for faster cycling rates instead of the air having to travel through the hose back to the noid, and keeps grease out of the noid. Increases efficiency by 20-30%.

ahh, ok, so the faster exhaust lets you adjust other settings, which then allow for an increased efficiency. it sounded like you were saying just throwing in a QEV increases efficiency, and i was like... what?? it just vents air faster.

[yakitori]

ahh, ok, so the faster exhaust lets you adjust other settings, which then allow for an increased efficiency. it sounded like you were saying just throwing in a QEV increases efficiency, and i was like... what?? it just vents air faster.

oh, my bad. I shouldve elaborated on it. . Yes, the QEV allows you to adjust your settings differently for increased efficiency. It may just be me cause I slapped a QEV in before I used it stock for very long. I did shoot it some, about 500 balls or so, stock. Then the QEV installed and lowered pressures, seems to have decreased kick a little bit and maybe helped make it a little queiter. I dont have any way to test or prove that though.

[Paintchucker]

ION is much lighter, accuracy is your barrel ...

I am sure this is a very played out question...but I didnt find a good answer that dealt with my situation...


I dont care all that much about BPS... I care about accuracy and weight... period. I am mainly a rec player who is a front man. I seek and scout .. we used radios in a four man group.... I want a quiet marker that is very accurate and distance shooter. I want to be able to seek in .. notify my mates .. and two or three ball my target without letting everyone know right where I am. I used to own a very nice lvl ten.. uped mag... dye barrels/freak sys... It pretty much fit the bill but weight was always an issue for me.

I am now thinking about going to the Xvalve/Ule mag with similar barrels or going to an uped Ion with similar barrels.... I dont want to trade ROF for accuracy....

Please give me your advice.... experience with these markers or perhaps people in my situation appreciated.

THANKS!

Please recommend a good system spec on our Ion if you think that is the route I should go.

I have an original Emag with SS Minimag Body and an 88 tank/Revy/Xbrd, a ULE Emag (Ule Body, Ule Rail, Ule Frame) with a 68 tank/HaloB, and an ION with an Odessey Frontman and a 45/5000.

If you are looking for lightness, then the ION is the way to go... Your accuracy is dependant on your paint to barrel match, Freak or other barrel kit would fit either with right back... Rate of fire? To be honest, being a rec player, isn't over 10 bps overkill anyway???

As far as the maintenance question, if you take care of your equipment, it will last a long time. I have 4 guns that are over a decade old: my 2 late 1990's Bushmaster Pumps and my 1993 F2 Illustrator ( I guess it was the ION type entry level tourny gun of 1993) and my 1994 Minimag. They all shoot still, and have been oiled regularly as well as inspections. I don't really shoot them much, less than 100 rds/yr. but the point is that taken care of properly, most any paintball gun will last a long time...

[929RR-MAN]

I own a Tac one Mag, but I have never seen, shot or heard much about the ion, so I can't say any good or bad on it, but I can give you some info on my mag.

First off, my T1 with just the gun and barrel alone feels like a feather as far as weight goes, but as soon as I put all the other stuff on- revolution hopper w/paint, drop forward, 68/4500 tank, quick disconnect fittings and macroline, it got to be fairly heavy, but not too bad-lighter than friend's a5's. I also play mainly woods/scenario and am mainly the front man on our squad and the weight doesn't bother me at all.
The gun is pretty quiet, everyone always says how quiet it is, even with the stock barrel. To me, it seems like it is kind of loud, but probably because its by my face all of the time (duh). Still a lot quieter than all of the tippmans out there.
Accuracy- Like you, I play up front, and my style is pretty much in your face paintball. I like to move, try to get the angles and I wanted a gun that is accurate in the short to medium range (not much of a long ball guy) and the mag does this for me. It is an accurate gun, even with the stock barrel and I try to match my paint with it as much as possible, sometimes you'll have a stray shot, but not often. You won't be able to go head to head with a5 flatline from across a valley, but within the mag's range it is accurate. (can't wait to get my match-stick barrel kit) I've shot all different kinds of paint-from crappy paint to marbilizer, and they were all accurate, mostly because they matched the barrel well.
The lvl 10 is nice, but it does chop on occasion, but then again its only factory tuned, and I have full confidence that with some fine-tuning, chops will be a thing of the past.
The stock trigger pull isn't bad, I can still fire fairly fast, but I hope to get the ule trigger kit soon just for the lighter feel and for a little more customization (is that a word?)
The tac one is a unique gun, I haven't seen one at the field yet and usually about 50 to 80 people show up on a normal open play day. It gets looks, thats for sure, it's a sweet gun.
Overall, the Tac One is a great gun and i'm sure most mags will perform as well, if not even better that mine. It's built like a tank, I always heard how tippmann's were built to be indestructible, but I will say that the automag feels even more indestructible than my tippmann markers (not a knock on tippmanns, i still love them to death, but there's something about the automag that feels just so right)
Like I said before, I don't have an opinion on an ion because i've never used one, but my Automag Tac One is a very well built, durable, rugged, and very reliable marker and i'm postive that almost everyone out there would agree. Hope this helps.

[WARPED1]

Go for an Ion. Great gun for the money.

[Teamslayer76]

I've shot the Ion I must admit it shoots pretty good for a gun under $300 bucks. But I just cant really see it lasting that long. The plastic was really cheap looking and feeling. Like just above Brass Eagle standards. On the other hand, a mag will pratically last for ever. I've got a lvl 5 68 Classic from like 92' that I still run a few balls threw. Also the Ion is electronic, If you not into that then I guess that a big turn off. And stated before at some field rapid fire is allowed wich you can shoot you'r automag w/rt valve up to 34bps with a good tank {max-flow dyna flow}
Which makes it the fastest actual with paint shooting gun you can possibly buy that I know of.
Accuracy is alright on mags but it's really just Paint&Barrel match. OH and lasty you can upgade the hell out of automags, custom bodies, triggers, rails, asa, everything is upgadeable execpt the whole valve assembly.

Also might I saw the Automags comunity will always help you out. As you can obviosly see.
Well most of the time. Were no TrasHNation, we are cool lol.



Hope it helps

Teamslayer

[yakitori]

to clear up any confusion or rumors, the ION is not PLASTIC. The gun is aluminum w/ a shell/sleeve plastic that slides over the body, kinda like a cell phone.

The body is aluminum, the feedneck is aluminum, the grip frame is aluminum, the reg, is aluminum w/ a rubber sleave, the barrel is aluminum. The ONLY plastic on the gun is the Composite shell, and the trigger, and the bolt. Thats it. All important parts are aluminum.

It is powder coated aluminum. Its not comparible to brass eagle, thats absurd.

mags are Stainless or aluminum if its ULE.

[peewee]

The answer is simple be a gun whore & buy both ... I did...

[WARPED1]

I've shot the Ion I must admit it shoots pretty good for a gun under $300 bucks. But I just cant really see it lasting that long. The plastic was really cheap looking and feeling. Like just above Brass Eagle standards. On the other hand, a mag will pratically last for ever. I've got a lvl 5 68 Classic from like 92' that I still run a few balls threw. Also the Ion is electronic, If you not into that then I guess that a big turn off. And stated before at some field rapid fire is allowed wich you can shoot you'r automag w/rt valve up to 34bps with a good tank {max-flow dyna flow}
Which makes it the fastest actual with paint shooting gun you can possibly buy that I know of.
Accuracy is alright on mags but it's really just Paint&Barrel match. OH and lasty you can upgade the hell out of automags, custom bodies, triggers, rails, asa, everything is upgadeable execpt the whole valve assembly.

Also might I saw the Automags comunity will always help you out. As you can obviosly see.
Well most of the time. Were no TrasHNation, we are cool lol.



Hope it helps

Teamslayer

It's not plastic, it's a composite. Which shares some molecular similarities with plastic. Saying the Ion shell is plastic is like saying the Mazda RX7 is a Porsche.