Mag or Ion

[anonymousbill123]

Mag!!!

i have a, what used to be, minimag. both guns would pretty much be the same in accuracy. accuracy is basically a matter of the barrel and tank u use.

*the mag is lighter.

*the mag has a slimmer design.

*mag can shoot up to 26 bps without losing pressure in the valve

*mag is the only gun you can get a bolt for that wont chop balls

*mag is more durable (less moving parts (only valve has moving parts and never breaks))

*customer service is awsome for mags. Free valve repair for each star (usually 4 stars) only pay for shipping

mag all the way!

[anonymousbill123]

Get the Ion:

My ion is quieter than almost any other high end gun... perfect for your sneaking up on people, mags are loud.
MY ion weighs less than two pounds.. mags weigh like 2.5 (which is a lot)

Ions are tough... when there is something wrong.. most stores can fix it while many people are new to mags.

ion is cheaper. Mags need to be upgraded.

ion is fast.. in case you ever go into speedball

yea... its better than a mag.

Shut up!

mags are as quiet if not quieter. mags are more expensive becuz they are better guns and are better quality. e-mags and x-mags faster. ions need to be upgraded too. in fact mags have better upgrades and they are easier to select from.

PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW HOW TO FIX MAGS BECAUSE:

1)mags dont break!
2)cheap to send back to factory (free valve repair (only thing that ever breaks on the mag and is rare))

[JimmyBeam]

Shut up!

mags are as quiet if not quieter. mags are more expensive becuz they are better guns and are better quality. e-mags and x-mags faster. ions need to be upgraded too. in fact mags have better upgrades and they are easier to select from.

PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW HOW TO FIX MAGS BECAUSE:

1)mags dont break!
2)cheap to send back to factory (free valve repair (only thing that ever breaks on the mag and is rare))

ignorance is bliss isnt it

[Lohman446]

i have a, what used to be, minimag. both guns would pretty much be the same in accuracy. accuracy is basically a matter of the barrel and tank u use.

*the mag is lighter.

Ohh.. good point, but not true, at least stock to stock

[quote]*the mag has a slimmer design.[quote]
Maybe... its not much

*mag can shoot up to 26 bps without losing pressure in the valve

Good luck getting there though with legal trigger pulls, or with the stock programmed ramping in the mag - oh wait that doesn't exist

*mag is the only gun you can get a bolt for that wont chop balls

A well tuned level ten, even if it works correctly requires a cylce of the marker, eyes don't

*mag is more durable (less moving parts (only valve has moving parts and never breaks))

Probably more durable, yet to be proven. And as for moving parts... how many moving parts do you think an Ion has

[slade]

Get the Ion:

My ion is quieter than almost any other high end gun... perfect for your sneaking up on people, mags are loud.
MY ion weighs less than two pounds.. mags weigh like 2.5 (which is a lot)

Ions are tough... when there is something wrong.. most stores can fix it while many people are new to mags.

ion is cheaper. Mags need to be upgraded.

ion is fast.. in case you ever go into speedball

yea... its better than a mag.

ions are tough... that made me laugh. its made by smart parts, they have the quality control of brass eagle. not that i would know from personal experience, but i seriously doubt ions are all that tough or durable, especially since the $300 price screams of costs being cut everywhere. and i find it funny that you brought that against mags, considering how durable mags are. every problem my mag has had with one exception was due to it breaking in or tuning (what i did to it) which were all easy fixes. the exception was a spring breaking which was also an easy fix.

true that ions are most likely quieter, ill give you that.

i dont know what the weights are, but seriously a ULEd mag is light enough that you should have nothing to complain about

ions ARE cheaper, but an rt ule custom would not need a single upgrade to be a great gun for what he is looking for. an ion could use a few upgrades.

an ion is fast but speed is not what he is looking for... and a mag is fine for rec speedball. tourneys ok ill give you that, something faster would be nice.


however, i still say a mech cocker would be the best option for what he is looking for, it fits everything except maybe reliability and mech cockers are dirt cheap.

[peewee]

If you havent used the marker you shouldnt be talking. As far as QC at smart parts you make me laugh because it is a far cry better than BE. SP is one of the longest standing aftermarket barrel makers out there. The all american barrel was the barrel to have on a mag in the early to mid 90's. Still a great barrel. They also have many been producing several of the best tourney markers used for the last decade. In the last local event that I attended ( last weekend) I can honestly say that there was only one team out of +20 teams that didnt have an SP gun in the mix. Interestingly enough 70ish % were ions. NO issues with anyones guns.

[DudeyouraresoEmo]

i own a mag and at my job i sell Ions. An Ion is a cheap, but reliable gun, although running CO2 when you are playing scenerio may be a little rough if it is cold, not to mention a big puff every time you shot. A mag is more expensive though and may not be the gun for you ( I am trying to hold back my view of mags) I think a mag would be a solid gun that would with stand mcuh dropping and tumbling, but an Ion would be cheaper, and maybe easier for a beginner.

[Jakedubbleya]

No real debate here. The ion performs BETTER in many IMPORTANT aspects when compared to your average mag, and just as well in the rest.

No, tolerances are not directly performance related.
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You can pay an ungodly amount for a devilmag and still have worse efficiency.

Or you can buy the 270$ ion, that does just as good a job as any other gun in the areas we actually KNOW about.

Case closed. And no, i didnt read the whole thread, so if i missed out on something dont be too harsh

[yakitori]

its funny that ppl are not reading the thread and posting arguments that have already been made.

The only part that moves on the Ion is the internal bolt and solenoid plunger. And the inline reg.

Stock Ion is only 2.2 lbs. Less w/ the stiffi on mine.

The only thing that has been done to cut costs that I know of is the composite shell and powdercoated aluminum.