2005 Tampa Pro tour

[mags247]

I know that i will will most definately be banned me for this. Hence the new screen name.

I just wanted everyone to know that I am pi$$ed that there was NO I mean ZERO mag support at the tampa show.

Not a single booth. They handed out free magazines that rated all of the new markers and of course AGD had the Pro Classic advertised.

AGD is finished at the tourney scene. I now know this, My fellow mag owners wittnessed it with my our own eyes. Mags have stopped evolving. This does not mean that Mags suck but have no place in the tourney world. I just cant see a mag regardless of Pneumag or Devil mag ever hanging with an EGO. In a tourney the Mag would flat out run out of air (probably even faster with a pneumag) !!!

I was dissapointed to see that Devilmag and Proteam (brass Eagle)did not even show up. Yeah!!! that just lets me know that there are tons of New Mag upgrades on the forefront. I was really hoping that DevilsDen would have been there so I could at least inspect the DMAG frame for the following reasons:

1) I want to know how it feels before I order one.

2) See if there a real company or if they are just some guys taking money. I dont feel comfy sending the 450 for a frame and having them tell me It's going to be a couple of months.

I casual conversation we were speaking to people and vendors about mags. The most common response was they still make those!!!! That just made me want to take my Mag and throw in in the garbage. I love my mag, Great recball gun, tourney gun Never!!! (bring on the it's the "It's the skill of the player not the marker" comebacks) My buddy even bought a ION because we are sick of getting out shot buy some Noobs with High end electros. Granted they may not know how to use the gun to there fullest potential, but if you can ramp and have tons of paint you can shoot ropes and at least keep people pinned in spots you want them to stay in.

Mags have stopped evolving. I own Mags and this just makes me mad. I know that I will never brake my mag. However There will be a day that I will have to put it down and pick up a shocker to be competitive.

Recap:
At the Expo NO MAG SUPPORT

The Mag Name has lost some of it's Pedigree, in stead of people saying "I've heard about those", we get "They still make those?" (not justn kid but players my age (28) and vendors as well).

After watching the massive amount of intimidator use I dont know how the mag will ever compete on the tourney level.

Flame on!!!

[Adrenaline_Junkie]

Dude, give it up........

Everyone knows stuff like this has and is going on for a while.

[Flow_Tech]

Dude, give it up........

Everyone knows stuff like this has and is going on for a while.

QFMFT.quit whining,everyone found out AGD quit with the tournament scene in about 2002 or 2003.
and before someone Do not cuss here on AO......EVER. Army me out..Aside from AGD Pride,they quit.

[peewee]

[Adrenaline_Junkie]

sweet, i was QFMFT! He got the same response in his pbnation thread as well.

[Glickman]

After watching the massive amount of intimidator use I dont know how the mag will ever compete on the tourney level.

Flame on!!!

it wont... thats why theres the ion

[mags247]

No doubt I got the same response on PBnation and I will post over there as well.

You say I'm whining, that's cool. Free country.
I say mags will NEVER be a competitive force on the tourney scene. (If you can prove me wrong I'd love to pics/vids of your team that plays with only mags dominating).

I agree that advertising or lack there of has changed the focus of todays players. But mags can look great. I have an awesome rogue mag. It draws serious compliments, but it does not have the performance to keep up with todays guns.

The vendors don't have to show up to all of the events that come up. But vendors like devilsden who claim that their product can do for mags what planet eclipse did for the autococker needs to step up and put there money where their mouths are.

Guns like the EGO are not better because they are the new thing, they are better because they cycle faster, get better air efficiency and oh yeah they are just flat out better.

I agree that an Ion does NOT feel like my mag. MY mag feels like a surgical instrument, not a toy. I am just pissed "it is the end of sight" on the road the mags are traveling on. My mag looks secks E and I dont want to make it a woods ball only gun. But for me to compete I need to go the way of the shocker.
I feel secure ordering a gun that will come in 3days that will rip. I dont feel comfortable ordering that "new magic frame" (or in PTP's case the frame that may or may not make it to life) only to have them say your money has been received you should have your new frame in the next two months or so. WTF is that?

Sorry to get off topic, I'm not whining, I love my mag (all mags for that) they just dont have the performance (bps, efficiency, anti chop and anything else that i forgot) to hang with todays electros or even yesterdays Timmys. I have conceded to the fact that a $750 shocker WILL destroy a 1400+ E/XMag. If you havent conceded to that then you should. People are always selling out companies MQ who make a sweet valve set up for the mag by saying it's not a mag, just a mag body. Without innovation there would never have been intimidator. Mags on the tourney scene will never come to life.

I know there are those of you out there that have been pinned down by people with Angels and what not (even though you may not want to admit it) It sucks. I hate the feeling of being outgunned at esp when I'm just trying to play rec ball. You know its bad when you have to put your mag down and pull out the E-spyder to just feel like you can hang.

Done with my rant, game on!!!

[WenULiVeUdiE]

The vendors don't have to show up to all of the events that come up. But vendors like devilsden who claim that their product can do for mags what planet eclipse did for the autococker needs to step up and put there money where their mouths are.

The problem is they dont have the money to do what Planet Eclipse did. They are a small production shop, while Planet Eclipse is a much larger company with more money.

I think it would be cool to see AGD back in the tourny scene. Not in the sense that they would dominate it, but enough to make them well known. Will this ever happen? Probably not. My guess is they will turn into something like PPS, just without the custom work.

[mandatory]

If you dont like open ended transactions, then dont get a devilmag...

[AGDlover]

if you want to complaine and moan about it then why are you getting a DM obiously nobody is forceing you to get one and at the same time your saying AGD is going down

[Adrenaline_Junkie]

mags247's arguement, or rather annoying rant has been heard multiple times from other people. As everyone has told you we know mags for the most part wont prob ever compete in the tourny scene at large. This does not mean they cant compete. Also, as stated by me and other people companies like devilsden cant market there products like larger companies. Pleas do us all a fovr and drop it cus weve heard it all before.

[richie]

I won't flame.............

But I will say that you do not have to a high end marker to stay competitive.I was at a speedball field in North Florida and saw a "pro player",fully dressed to the hilt in his tourney pants and shirt,super paintball shoes,top of the line mask and so on shooting a top of the line angel.He got bunkered and taken out by a guy with a crossman slingshot and a handfull of paintballs he picked up off the ground and shoved in the pocket of his used camo jacket.It was so funny watching all the newbs want to be on his team because he looked good and then he walks off with a single shot to the back of the jersey.This is the reason I do not play tourney ball.Too much hype.

If you like your mag,love it for what it is or change your type of play.If you want to play tourney ball,get rid of the mag and buy something that you feel will keep up.Sell your mag to someone that will appreciate it for what it is.Heck I am still in love with my VM-86

[AGDlover]

But I will say that you do not have to a high end marker to stay competitive.I was at a speedball field in North Florida and saw a "pro player",fully dressed to the hilt in his tourney pants and shirt,super paintball shoes,top of the line mask and so on shooting a top of the line angel.He got bunkered and taken out by a guy with a crossman slingshot and a handfull of paintballs he picked up off the ground and shoved in the pocket of his used camo jacket.It was so funny watching all the newbs want to be on his team because he looked good and then he walks off with a single shot to the back of the jersey.This is the reason I do not play tourney ball.Too much hype.

lol i think snyper has done that at one point

[Kevmaster]

you mean AGD isnt targeting the tournament players as hte primary users of their markers? Jumpin Jipotles Batman!

On a serious note, AGD hasnt been concerned with the tournament scene for over a year now. This is hardly news. If you're mad that AGD is focusing on the scenario market...well...fine. But thats reality. And coming here and ranting isn't going to change it

[Adrenaline_Junkie]

you mean AGD isnt targeting the tournament players as hte primary users of their markers? Jumpin Jipotles Batman!

On a serious note, AGD hasnt been concerned with the tournament scene for over a year now. This is hardly news. If you're mad that AGD is focusing on the scenario market...well...fine. But thats reality. And coming here and ranting isn't going to change it

WORD!

Multiple people have told him that, i hope he gets it now!