2005 Tampa Pro tour

[WARPED1]

They could spend some money on R+D and marketing to improve it instead of pinching pennies so tight they scream bloody murder..

[Lohman446]

They could spend some money on R+D and marketing to improve it instead of pinching pennies so tight they scream bloody murder..

Say I made a marker that got 3000 rounds off a 45/45 tank, had an HES / magno trigger (I think AGD got this right, best trigger I ever found) that was insanely fast and could shoot 50BPS without shootdown, it also had a perfect proactive anti-chop system but had a true semi-only mode and no supporting software to make it faster than semi-only. Would it sell?

Ohh.. good question, I think it deserves its own thread...

Edit: http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=175497

[mgould4409]

OK now for my two cents, I listened to all of you make some good points and some very bad points.

As far as "competition" with other markers such as a shocker, cocker, timmey or what ever, it boils down to simple physics. Yes I am an engineer.

1. Accuracy- It is the barrel and paint matching period. Everyone matches their own with what ever barrel combo within .01 of an inch.

2. Valve air pressure - They are basically all the same because they are governed to as everyone knows 300 FPS or less depending on the tournament. Every manufacturer out there has a soft bolt that "surrounds" the paintball with the exact amount of air pressure.

3. Ramping - Yes a marker will shoot faster with a little help. No, a mechanical marker will not shoot as fast as an electro with ramping. AGD simply has not gone the way of this because their focus has changed. But this does not mean you cannot buy a predator board which is more evolved than most generic DM5's, shockers, etc. The devil mag is a good example of this. It is claimed to shoot redicuosly fast without shoot down.

4. EYES - Yes only the xmags have eyes and maybe AGD should attempt at producing a more competitive gun for tournament level. But this can be accomplished by ordering a devil mag. It is only 900 dollars for the custom gun that is HAND BUILT and not from an assembly line. They only use parts that are proven.

5. Asthetics (looks) - yes you can ano it any color you like or put stickers on it like most of the pros or you can buy a karta main body. Yes the karta body is three hundred dollars but a nice aluminum DM5 is 1250 on sale.

Most tournament players that I have come across enjoy fiddiling with their marker and improving it whenever possible. When it is all said and done, every elite marker will cost probably 800 - 1300+ dollars, shoot ropes of paint in a circle of about 6 -12 inches. This is a proven fact period.

The only difference I see is preference, availability, feel, minimal cost difference, history or heritage, and marketing.

I am going to give you a little lesson about marketing in one analogy. Open any current paintball magazine and you will see ads from all the big boys out there and not really the custom shops because of the overhead.

OK here is the analogy (because I know Audio a little better than paintball)
Name any top teir speaker company that produces high quality speakers for listening and home theater. When this question is asked to the average person most will say "Bose Speakers" because of a commercial or ad they have seen. But yet most will never even know a good speaker because they will not take the time to research it. BOSE spends a TON on advertising and having their stores in the mall. They are however a very sub-par speaker, they are not useless but, they are not even in the same category as most speakers in the same price range. Have you ever wondered why when you walk into a 6th ave or any other electronics place that sells them, they are not with the other speakers to be demoed? They cannot compete with other speakers that are bigger and better. Yes they do make nice small speakers but that is about it. This is where physics comes in, the cubes are not big enough to produce the low frequencies that the company even claims. This is why you will not see them around other speaker with good midrange drivers.

OK, this has gone on long enough. but I hope you get the point, I am glad so many people have so many opinions but just throw in a little science once in a while and think about what you are saying.

[Enemy]

My gun will be new and will not have to be upgraded. (turns nose up and dusts shoulder off)

have fun with your non he shocker!! i have a shocker and an xmag! lets tally the total for both on upgrades!

xmag: trigger 50
xpower 50
total: 100

shocker: HE bolt 80
clamping feedneck 35
new frame 110
new board 150
Total: 375




next lets take into account that the shocker is made of cheap aluminum not 6061 so its anno doesnt stay and has even been known to just rub off! lets also add that it has bolt stick so bad that it has a tendency to not even work on the first shot and craves more grease than anyother gun on the market!

[mags247]

have fun with your non he shocker!! i have a shocker and an xmag! lets tally the total for both on upgrades!

xmag: trigger 50
xpower 50
total: 100

shocker: HE bolt 80
clamping feedneck 35
new frame 110
new board 150
Total: 375




next lets take into account that the shocker is made of cheap aluminum not 6061 so its anno doesnt stay and has even been known to just rub off! lets also add that it has bolt stick so bad that it has a tendency to not even work on the first shot and craves more grease than anyother gun on the market!

I have the nerve board stock. The stock feedneck is lo profile and holds my egg fine, why would I need a new frame? The bolt is less than 80 but let's say 80 for grins.

Simple math $80 is still less than $100. Do you disagree?