2005 Tampa Pro tour

[WARPED1]

Am I the only one who isn't impressed with an Ion? It looks and feels SOOO cheap.

Why? It's all aluminum except the body sleeve, like every other gun on the market? What makes it feel so cheap?! Feels the same as any pb gun I've held in my 16 years playing......................

[paullus99]

The ION is the "Model T" of paintball - the great equalizer.....its too bad the Mag has gotten such a bad reputation in the upper levels of our market, but my scenario team is now sporting at least five Tac-Ones, and I bet by the end of the year we double that total. Paintball is evolving, the business is changing....don't count AGD out just yet - who knows what's around the corner.

[mags247]

You're very ignorant. There are no "performance" advantages to any other electro on the market compared to the E-mag. Just because the board says it's capable of 500 BPS, doesn't mean ANYTHING. It's only as fast as you can pull your fingers, which is usually 12-14 BPS.

Incorrect, i know that you are a diehard Mag nuthugger but the simple fact is an ION (not even a shocker) will destroy all mech mags and most E/X mags. Spend the $275 it's a humbling experience to see that you 450 mech cant really hang.

Weight? It's called ULE.
Cosmetics? Heard of Deadly Wind?
Chopping? ACE, LV 10.
Efficiency? Since when did paintball become a game of who can last the longest on one fill? If it gets you from game to game, who really cares. What do you think All Day Air is for?
Speed? Let's see you pull your fingers at over 20 CPS. I've got $50 that says you won't come close.

Ok so you get a gun and have to mod it to be competitive? WTF is that Deadlywinds bodys are hot, no doubt, but thats a vanity thing. 20 cps? That's ramping boards are for. And the LvX isnt that great. Unless you like the sound of Chufff.

Mags can't compete? Ehh.....false. Thanks for playing!!!
You got the mags cant compete part right and I'll never stop playing (rec ball with my mags tourneys with MYSP guns)

Am I the only one who isn't impressed with an Ion? It looks and feels SOOO cheap.

Performance wise ION > Mag get over it.

[tony3]

And everyone who is smart knows it costs money to get a booth. But it takes money to make money.

Not for prostitutes.

[WARPED1]

Performance wise ION > Mag get over it.

I concur. Now watch the zombies get pissed................
At least us Ion owners can face that there are guns better. Mag users cannot.

[Lohman446]

I concur. Now watch the zombies get pissed................
At least us Ion owners can face that there are guns better. Mag users cannot.

I can

[mags247]

Borrowed from the sister thread over on the nation.....

Ok you want me to answer questions... fine.
the shocker is better because:
a) it is faster.....if you dont believe me shoot one, stop hating.
b) it has eyes that work.
c) its quality and
d) its flat out cheaper 775 brand new and you dont have to buy mods to make it hang with the super guns because it is one.

Why EGO's are better: See above plus it is lighter...respect it.

I did not mention cosmetics which if you can READ i never even mentioned. Most of you throw out karta body, I cant afford to spend 300 on something to make my gun look better.
If you are talking about cosmetic, you must have doubts on your own piece, my Mag looks sick.

If you dont think BPS doesnt matter you have never been to a tourney and played. If you think you can walk out onto the field and play with you Custom you're lying to yourself!!! Tourneys are not rec ball. I don't care of how good of a snap shooter you are, if you cant throw ropes how are you supposed to cover your team members when they are on the run?

Fun is what is all about.....It is more fun to bunker some one at 15 effortless BPS than maybe the 5 "working your a$$ off" bps you can get out of your mech mag. But hey we are trying to have fun ....right?

Adrenaline Junkie
"I was thinking the same thing, it was dumb of mags247 for saying people like you are "dumb" for not putting up a booth at a big tourny/show and not even taking into consideration thr costs involved. "

When did I say he was dumb? I said he didn't even show up at the event that all I was screamin about. But you missed that in the original thread...Now who's dumb? Oh yeah.....You. Stop being a nuthugger.

Now that all is said and done. I will close out this thread by saying that mags are great guns for rec ball. On the tourney level, the existing technology has hit the ceiling. If the last great innovation was the Xvalve and LvX then you know that the mag has been put out to pasture along time ago. Some of you might not want to accept it but outside this microcosm that you live in there is a thriving world of innovation and sport. But on this board all the die hard mag owners are like the kids that never left their rooms or got invited to parties......It's a whole other world out there.

FINE.......

[Adrenaline_Junkie]

Borrowed from the sister thread over on the nation.....

Ok you want me to answer questions... fine.
the shocker is better because:
a) it is faster.....if you dont believe me shoot one, stop hating.
b) it has eyes that work.
c) its quality and
d) its flat out cheaper 775 brand new and you dont have to buy mods to make it hang with the super guns because it is one.


Adrenaline Junkie
"I was thinking the same thing, it was dumb of mags247 for saying people like you are "dumb" for not putting up a booth at a big tourny/show and not even taking into consideration thr costs involved. "

When did I say he was dumb? I said he didn't even show up at the event that all I was screamin about. But you missed that in the original thread...Now who's dumb? Oh yeah.....You. Stop being a nuthugger.

You cant shoot a shocker any faster than an emag unless your cheating. An e/xmags eyes work fine. AGD is quality. For $775 you can get an emag fully upgraded and it will run with the vest of em.

You may not have said hes dumb but by complaining about it you may as well have said it. Nutthugger? That really wasnt called for. If you want to make this personal i will. I dont have anything against you other than the fact that you made a post dozens of other people have and havnt really supported your claim that mags arent as good as other electros other than efficiency wise. Weve all heard it before and its not needed.

[mags247]

My gun will be new and will not have to be upgraded. (turns nose up and dusts shoulder off)

[Adrenaline_Junkie]

My gun will be new and will not have to be upgraded. (turns nose up and dusts shoulder off)

Ill leave it at that lol. Were never gonna agree and argueing wont get either of us anywhere. In the end, to each his own i suppose. Im sorry if i said anything that may have offended you.

[mags247]

Ill leave it at that lol. Were never gonna agree and argueing wont get either of us anywhere. In the end, to each his own i suppose. Im sorry if i said anything that may have offended you.

No offense taken.....
I love my mag, I play with it every chance I get. The whole point of my thread is vent about AGD and the non participation approach to paintball. I'm glad it rattled some cages but the folks at AGD are not going to come out with something new anytime soon and that disappoints me. If WGP can do it AGD should be able to as well.

[mark_1791]

Wouldn't it be a good idea for AGD to endorse(sp?) the DevilMag? I mean, it is a very tourney-worthy gun, and for $900...wow. I seriously wish i had that kiind of cash.

[Adrenaline_Junkie]

No offense taken.....
I love my mag, I play with it every chance I get. The whole point of my thread is vent about AGD and the non participation approach to paintball. I'm glad it rattled some cages but the folks at AGD are not going to come out with something new anytime soon and that disappoints me. If WGP can do it AGD should be able to as well.

Personally i wish theyd do soemthin as well but the truth is they prob never are. Personally id love to see a revamped version of the xmag r somethin, thatd be sweet.

[WARPED1]

If AGD was smart(which marketingwise they're not), they would buy the DevilMag design from GADevil and produce it full fledged. Drop all thier other guns except maybe the TAC One for scenario guys.

[Lohman446]

If AGD was smart(which marketingwise they're not), they would buy the DevilMag design from GADevil and produce it full fledged. Drop all thier other guns except maybe the TAC One for scenario guys.

Say they had the Devilmag, and were producing it available for sale in a box, you could order it, the same as a Shocker. Now.. understand I have ordered a DM, I like the idea, but lets look at what would be seen about it.

1) Still uses a spring rather than air, this is going to effect efficiency.
2) Still kicks like a mag.
3) Still can't shoot really low in the tank
4) Still does nto have an "upgradeable" regulator
5) Still has the acknowledged RT effect shoot up.

There is/was potential for something new from AGD... I just worry how much of it has left, and what he company intends to do now. I would love to see AGD do something dramatic, but they seem unwilling to under the current legal enviroment (there may be both civil and criminal liability issues when someone is hurt using a ramping marker) which one cannot blame them for. Do you think taht you can compete without offering ramping? Do you think that AGD is going to take that risk any more?