So, I turned off ramping today

[Lohman446]

I had been using ramping (per the rules allowed where I play) for the past month or so. I have to play at a tournament where it won't be legal so I wanted to practice without it.

What I noticed: I became much more effective as a player. I moved more, I aimed my shots better, and I just plain seemed to have a better idea of what I needed to do movement wise to accomplish my goals. My question to you: might ramping negatively influence your game?

[AGDlover]

yes it does i'm pissed about getting lit up that fast but eh they think i use ramping too

[68magOwner]

i played with ramping for the first time yesterday, getting ready for CFOA (have played in 15bps ramping tourneys prior to this one, but, played semi in those out of personal preferance) I actually thought it was kinda nice, i wouldnt say it made me better in any aspect really, but, things like running and gunning, just made you be able to concentrate less on shooting. So, no, i dont think it will negatively effect you

[JimmyBeam]

ive been thinking about turning it off as well. ive found myself relying on it more and more.

[Maggot6]

*shakes fist* damn, those cheaters discovered why we were still beating them

*edit* I did not mean cheater in the game, I meant that they aren't doing all the "work" that the normal non ramp guy is doing.

[68magOwner]

*shakes fist* damn, those cheaters discovered why we were still beating them

...i believe everyone so far that said they use ramping also stated that they use it when it is legal.....

[AGDlover]

i never used ramping

[RRfireblade]

My question to you: might ramping negatively influence your game?

Yes......and no.

I mean IMO, it most definately will have a negative effect on your semi game.Despite the claims of 'some' people, shooting fast,effectively,off handed and while on the move is without question a very important skill that needs to be developed.That's why 'cheating' is so despised by those of us who play truly legal semi. The addition of ramping and full auto legal leagues is just an insult to the spirit of the game and the work ethic practiced by many of 'us' since the of advent of speedball,concept fields and that whole style of play.

It really bothers me that eliminating an entire area of playing skill has now become 'legal' and common place in the sport. I can remember, not that long ago either, when 'advanced' players joked about E-Spyder newbs wanting to play on full auto. Has so much really changed since the 'cheaters' won the battle?



And....

No, I guess. I mean if all you ever play in is ramped or 'legal' full auto leagues then I guess those shooting skills that you've either lost or never had in the first place aren't going to seperate you from anyone else in the same league.

[yakitori]

ramping is not cheating if it is allowed IE NXL/PSP/CFOA.

I dont see why everyone complains about ramping. All it really does is give you a more consistent stream of paint. I can shoot about 16-17bps w/ my viking on true semi, or 15 w/ ramping on my Ion. Which would you rather have flying at you?

For the Ion to ramp in rebound mode, the first 3 shots are semi only, then you have to maintain at least 8 bps to ramp to 15. I dont see how it is that unsafe really. Also just cause someone is ramping doesnt mean they are always throwing 15 balls at you.

On whether or not I think it improves your game, no I dont think so. You just notice it because you went from ramping to not ramping. When I dont use ramping I dont think about my shots any more than when I do use it ( which I havent used it yet except testing it out )

[Lohman446]

Yes......and no.

I mean IMO, it most definately will have a negative effect on your semi game.Despite the claims of 'some' people, shooting fast,effectively,off handed and while on the move is without question a very important skill that needs to be developed.That's why 'cheating' is so despised by those of us who play truly legal semi. The addition of ramping and full auto legal leagues is just an insult to the spirit of the game and the work ethic practiced by many of 'us' since the of advent of speedball,concept fields and that whole style of play.

It really bothers me that eliminating an entire area of playing skill has now become 'legal' and common place in the sport. I can remember, not that long ago either, when 'advanced' players joked about E-Spyder newbs wanting to play on full auto. Has so much really changed since the 'cheaters' won the battle?



And....

No, I guess. I mean if all you ever play in is ramped or 'legal' full auto leagues then I guess those shooting skills that you've either lost or never had in the first place aren't going to seperate you from anyone else in the same league.

Well I woudl agree that shooting fast is a skill I present to you the argument that this skill having an effect on the otucome of a game is ridiculous. It does, but... do you understand what I mean. WHy should being able to shoot fast influence the game, its not what the game is meant to be about.

[Beemer]

whats wring

yes it does i'm pissed about getting lit up that fast but eh they think i use ramping too

What gun you use?

You got lit up because you did something wrong. Same as if I was shooting you with my 10 bps not because of ramping. What did you do wrong? Figure it out and learn from your mistakes



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[yakitori]

Yes......and no.

I mean IMO, it most definately will have a negative effect on your semi game.Despite the claims of 'some' people, shooting fast,effectively,off handed and while on the move is without question a very important skill that needs to be developed.That's why 'cheating' is so despised by those of us who play truly legal semi. The addition of ramping and full auto legal leagues is just an insult to the spirit of the game and the work ethic practiced by many of 'us' since the of advent of speedball,concept fields and that whole style of play.

I disagree w/ that statement simply because many ppl w/ a properly setup trigger can shoot around 14-16 bps anyway. The ramping cap levels the playing field so that everyone is shooting the same bps. I dont complain because Ive practiced walking to get faster in my house all day and I can hit 17 bps, but the cap makes me have to shoot 2 bps slower.

IMO its not cheating if its legal.

If so, then all of the RT mag users that are sweetspotting and shooting 20+bps should be banned from the field too. RT tippys should be banned too.

Heavens no, good luck getting all the loyal AGD users to stop cheating w/ their RTs, that would be a sin. Yet the same ppl bash the Ion for it, when its limited to 17bps. Time to stop the double standards.

[AGDlover]

lol i use and emag but sit and rip on it in the snake and its usualy when its off the break cause i stumble a little bit every now and then

[Lohman446]

I disagree w/ that statement simply because many ppl w/ a properly setup trigger can shoot around 14-16 bps anyway.

False... very few people can sustain 15BPS...

[Beemer]

Dont Know

might ramping negatively influence your game?

Couldnt tell ya, NEVER used it. Never will. 1 shot one pull is where its at baby

Try it youll like it. I know lets get Mikey, he'll try anything

Now ya went and told everyone