So, I turned off ramping today

[yakitori]

whos to say what the game was "meant" to be? You cant say that, otherwise we would be watching football games w/ teams w/o facemasks, and headslaps would be legal.

The sport is what it is, and if it was meant to be played in the woods, then tournies would be out of the question. You see where Im going w/ this right.

Why do you and others keep questioning why we do these things. Why do you keep asking rhetorical questions. Just take the game for its face value. Its not some big mystery. Its paintball that grew into a sport out of what was originally a laid back game w/ ppl playing w/ pumps in the woods.

I prefer the sport aspect of the game because I am a competetive person. I enjoy it. If you keep questioning why you are doing it, maybe you should give up paintball.

[68magOwner]

False... very few people can sustain 15BPS...

honestly, playing with my ramping on really is noticiably slower than when i dont use it.

[yakitori]

False... very few people can sustain 15BPS...

very few ppl need to practice then.

I can sustain 15bps for what I need it for. You can sustain it for about 5-8 seconds on a break? If not you need to practice and youve used ramping too long.

How many other scenarios are there in speedball where you are out in the open needing to sustain 15 bps for over 10-15 seconds? None. Most of it is snapshooting, and running and shooting. And for that, yes I can sustain 15 bps for long enough to get where Im going.

[atm743]

I had been using ramping (per the rules allowed where I play) for the past month or so. I have to play at a tournament where it won't be legal so I wanted to practice without it.

What I noticed: I became much more effective as a player. I moved more, I aimed my shots better, and I just plain seemed to have a better idea of what I needed to do movement wise to accomplish my goals. My question to you: might ramping negatively influence your game?

ya know same things with me

i have been useing my e-mag in e mode all the time and i jest bout a mech rt mag and i sware i get more people out move way more and save alot on paint and air.

in kinda the same way from you are saying.

i think ramping and jest plane shooting fast messes up your game

for ex.

if you andsnap shooting laying paint down at some one. more likley if you are using E mode or some fast shooting like ramping or whatever you waste more paint and air plus when you are doing that you really not aiming for the player. your more worried about how fast your shooting. and when you are laying down paint at some one and he pops back behind the bunker you jest wasted about 10-30 paintballs when you could jest be shooting about 2-10 paintballs. plus shooting slower i think helps on Accuracy and less on chopping balls.

when i played with my mech i used about one hopper in two three games depending how intence and long the game is. i used to go thouse a hopper or more a game with my e-mag in E mode. also i got way more people out with the mech.

honestly shooting fast is there for two basic reasons.

1 pissing someone off

2 laying down paint soo you can give a team mate a chance in moving without getting shoot.

[yakitori]

honestly, playing with my ramping on really is noticiably slower than when i dont use it.

I agree and the reason for it is in my post above.

[yakitori]

ALso Lohman maybe its cause youre using an Ion and not my Viking

15 bps is easy. The Ion however is not so easy. And very few ppl have their trigger setup properly. I know its prefernce, but if you shot my viking, you would see what I am talking about.

AND, I can empty a full hopper and sustain over 15bps for an extended period of time raking. Walking is not as easy to sustain, but raking will get you there.

[RRfireblade]

Well I woudl agree that shooting fast is a skill I present to you the argument that this skill having an effect on the otucome of a game is ridiculous. It does, but... do you understand what I mean. WHy should being able to shoot fast influence the game, its not what the game is meant to be about.

IMO, it is a skill and it can have an outcome on the game. I don't think it's ridiculous either. More ROF=more potential for eliminations, that's what the games all about it. Is a high ROF 'ALL' that it takes? Hell no, but it does have an effect. Play a few games with a pump against a semi team and then let me know what you think.

I disagree w/ that statement simply because many ppl w/ a properly setup trigger can shoot around 14-16 bps anyway. The ramping cap levels the playing field so that everyone is shooting the same bps. I dont complain because Ive practiced walking to get faster in my house all day and I can hit 17 bps, but the cap makes me have to shoot 2 bps slower.

I don't even have to disagree with that...it's pure nonsense and it's been proven so a hundred times over.NPPLs robot testing and various other on field player ROF testing that has gone on over the last few years have shown conclusively that the average pro Tourny player w/ a 'legally' set up semi marker averages 9-11bps and there are only a handfull to ever reach 15 and for very short strings.It's also been shown that since the inception of legal ramping and auto leagues that the paint per game per team ratio is considerably higher than ever before. You can't argue with the numbers.

The real problem is 'everyone' always claims to be legally shoooting that fast and in the vast majority of cases, they are proven or can be proven to be....not.

Heavens no, good luck getting all the loyal AGD users to stop cheating w/ their RTs, that would be a sin. Yet the same ppl bash the Ion for it, when its limited to 17bps. Time to stop the double standards.

And please.....don't create and arguement that doesn't exist. Everytime and AO'er makes a statement why does it get debated with something related to a Mag. Don't fabricate a double standard and it won't be used. I've stated my opinion in the past in regards to Mags and Emags for the matter. My stance there is quite clear.

[Lohman446]

I can sustain 15bps for what I need it for. You can sustain it for about 5-8 seconds on a break? If not you need to practice and youve used ramping too long. .

Get me a video showing LEGAL trigger pulls, where the video can see your fingers moving, and each trigger pull can be soundgraphed to the marker firing paint. Get and sustain 15BPS for 8 seconds on a legal, semi-only trigger, and I will paypal you $20. BPS estimates are like vanity sizing at Nordstroms (did you know a size 6 at Nordstroms is the same as a size 10 at WalMart)

[Lohman446]

IMO, it is a skill and it can have an outcome on the game. I don't think it's ridiculous either. More ROF=more potential for eliminations, that's what the games all about it. Is a high ROF 'ALL' that it takes? Hell no, but it does have an effect. Play a few games with a pump against a semi team and then let me know what you think.

I misstated myself. I don't mean to say it doesn't, I know it does, I know its a skill. I have a problem accepting that it should be a skill in paintball. It is, does not mean it should be.

[yakitori]

you ppl apparently dont know what raking is if you think 9-11bps is the standard.

And why is bouncing a mag or a tippy a double standard to an electric? Its a firepower upgrade, and its considered cheating too.

A better question would be WHY DO YOU LOYAL MAG USERS DEFEND THE MAG SO RELIGIOUSLY AND ALL OTHER GUNS ARE SQUAT ?

There I fixed it for ya.



EDIT: oh and fireblade, do you mind showing me the results of this "extensive" testing.

And why do all the mech users claim 13bps then? Most of them are mag users.

and forgive me for not knowing your "quite clear" position on mags cause you know I spend all my time following YOUR posts cause you are a paintball god.

[Beemer]

What The

Despite the claims of 'some' people, shooting fast,effectively,off handed and while on the move is without question a very important skill that needs to be developed.That's why 'cheating' is so despised by those of us who play truly legal semi. The addition of ramping and full auto legal leagues is just an insult to the spirit of the game and the work ethic practiced by many of 'us' since the of advent of speedball,concept fields and that whole style of play.

It really bothers me that eliminating an entire area of playing skill has now become 'legal' and common place in the sport. I can remember, not that long ago either, when 'advanced' players joked about E-Spyder newbs wanting to play on full auto. Has so much really changed since the 'cheaters' won the battle?

Thats great can I edit this and put it in my sig?

Heavens no, good luck getting all the loyal AGD users to stop cheating w/ their RTs, that would be a sin. Yet the same ppl bash the Ion for it, when its limited to 17bps. Time to stop the double standards.

They only cheat if they want to. I use AGD and I dont cheat. No double Standard Here

I dont see how it is that unsafe really.

Got any proof

Its paintball that grew into a sport

Not quite yet...........Still need a Governing Body for that

[yakitori]

Got any proof

fireblades statements are hardly worth siging esp since Sigs are no longer here.

And lets see some proof on how its is unsafe. Thats what everyone keeps saying.

And I was referring to the AGD USERS that USE bounce. If you dont use bounce then Im not referring to you. Doesnt take a genius to figure that out.

[RRfireblade]

I misstated myself. I don't mean to say it doesn't, I know it does, I know its a skill. I have a problem accepting that it should be a skill in paintball. It is, does not mean it should be.

Whys that?

I mean, shooting your marker fast and effectively is not something everyone can do.Most people can't walk 2 bps the first time they try.I get people in the store all the time that have played for years and will never be able to consistantly walk a trigger.

Now add left handed, a definate must for an advanced player.

Now try hitting the mythical 15bps on the dead run towards a bunker.

Now try left handed.

No try holding off an opponent, maintaining 15bps, with one hand while releoding.

Now try left handed.

Come out on a snap AT 15bps.

How about snapping left handed.

A halfway decent newb could do all that on a ramping gun by the end of their first day of play.

Could you on yours?

[yakitori]

why do you ppl think that walking is the ONLY trigger technique. Every heard of that little hump in the middle of the trigger? well use it. I can keep well over 15 bps until I get a blister on my finger.

I agree that any noob can shoot a ramping gun fast, but Im kinda insulted because of all the practice Ive done to get 14-17.

Why is everyone excusing the RAKING fact.

I know a guy that can shoot his gun w/ 3 fingers faster than anyone Ive seen w/ 2. Is there any studys on that fireblade?

[AGDlover]

heh i am left handed