So, I turned off ramping today

[zeroack]

just my two cents....

Ramping and nonramping is some what like Semi(mechanical for sake of discussion) and pump play. I think pump play makes you a great player. Makes you much more aware of what you need to do, shots you take and moves you need to make. It may be a bit more extream then the Ramp-nonRamp comparison but I think it's somewhat close.

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[davidb]

ya but lohman, you are failing to recognize that is what MOST ppl do w/ your questions. Look at them and go "oh"...then on to another thread. The avg person would think it is rhetorical, and yes I know what it means or else I wouldnt have used it.

MOST people do that with every thread, otherwise there would be 20,000+ responses to every single post, hoss!

Wow. I've been away from paintball (time and money, time and money) and the PB talk forum for long enough now that I didn't even know that ramping and F/A and whatever else were becoming legal. Quite a disappointment.

[yakitori]

hey yak! what planet do you live on where you "think" you can pull 15 sustain? i want to go there let me tell you something. my devilmag(not that i'm bragging) has ramping. watch the promo vid. do i need it? i don't use it because it''s not worth it. who in the world do you think you're impressing with your bs about bps? ok, you got a viking. i got a devilmag. both shot very fast. but really, please stop sniffing glue. it may hurt you hey lohman, before this young man flames me, why don't i match that 20 spot about the bps vid. hell, i'll throw in 50. i'm an adult, i work. i can do that

Sniffing glue, OMG please stop hurting me w/ your 3rd grade insults...Im lauging so hard ..... right. First you dont even know my argument. Maybe you should slow down when you read. I said I can sustain it for as long as I need to. That being on a break for a short time, and other than that, there is not a need to sustain 15 bps. I said for a few seconds IE 5-8 seconds. Read through again before you start saying Im from another planet. Ive already said that I can rake more than 15bps. Do I do it in a game, no. Can I do it, yes. Is it very practical? Maybe not, but it can be done.

Before you insult someone at least have a CLUE what I am saying. Apparently you dont.

[Lohman446]

I can sustain 15bps for what I need it for. You can sustain it for about 5-8 seconds on a break? If not you need to practice and youve used ramping too long.

I took this statement to mean you could attain and sustain 15BPS for 5 to 8 seconds on the break. Did I misunderstand what you meant?

[yakitori]

I took this statement to mean you could attain and sustain 15BPS for 5 to 8 seconds on the break. Did I misunderstand what you meant?

I actually said later in the post it would be closer to 5 than 8. And yes I mean that I can acheive that ROF, or a little more for enough time. Who needs to sustain 15bps for a whole happer? I cant think of many scenarios where 15bps would need to be sustained for any long period of time except for a breakout.

Does this mean that I will be hitting 15 the whole time? prolly not. But an average over 5 seconds could easily be done. Im not a robot. I dont have sensors in my ear that tell me that I am at 15bps and I need to keep it there. No. I figured common sense would imply that. Are you asking if I can maintain a PERFECT 15BPS for 5-8 seconds? If so, dont you think thats a bit absurd?

Ive already said that there would be gaps, and that the ROF would not be as consistent as ramping. But is it possible to shoot on avg. 15bps for a few seconds. I think so. Thats what Im trying to say. I figured an intelligent person like yourself wouldve understood that.

and that also depends on whether you are running as a front/mid guy or standing at the back sweetspotting for you front guys.

[Beemer]

And BEEMER, I have been shot w/ 15 balls. AND it was w/ a tippmann a5 semi that didnt ramp. All I got was some welts that went away in a week or less. That depends on how broad you define safe. I see ppl where I live flying past ppl on the shoulder during rush hour. I think ramping is safer than that. I see ppl riding wheelies at 70+mph on street bikes in fairly busy traffic. Ramping is safer than that.

Ive seen stories of ppl getting shot in the eye etc, but thats a mask safety issue. Ive seen stories about a tank cylinder coming unscrewed and killing a woman by hitting her in the head. I think ramping is safter than that.

SO, my question for you is......Can someone shoot you w/ 10-15 balls w/ a mech semi, or how about a pump? If yes, then your definition of safe is very narrow because you are biased toward ramping. Of course there is a risk involved when playing paintball, but they are nonlethal projectiles. If you are chronographed right, there should be no REAL danger in getting hit w/ 10-15 balls.

You have still yet to show a real story of and EXAMPLE of how someone has been severly injured as a result of ramping. Im not reading your goofy link that has a post about 30 down about someones opinion. I meant something factual, concrete, that lead to REAL injuries as a DIRECT result of ramping. AND BEEMER, youve failed to do that.

Fuzzy logic, I love it


Well no need to read a GOOFY link, I put the quote right in my post so you wouldnt have to.

6 shots and the gog failed. Thats fact not opinion. Whats the issue the gun or the gogs? What if it had been 15?


FYI gogs are only tested with 8 shots. Now guns can shoot 15 whats wrong with this picture?
Oh ya DYE tests at twice the standards. Why is that?

This story is FA 13 shots. ramping is 15, whats the differrence?

We were playing in the woods course, walking around, ducking, siting.. etc etc. The guy with the angel, which btw none of my group knew he had come on with us, decides to play hunt the newbies. Whatever, thats cool. Untill he deices to switch it to FA mode and put about 13 shots to the back of my neck from around 10-15 feet away.

Want to know what happened after that? I don't know, I passed out. When I came to, my neck was bleeding. Not a little welt, they taped my neck with paper towels, as there wasn't a bandage big enough. Needless to say I had a visit with the emergency room.

Was he shooting hot? Nope, 290. No, I didn't die; I didn't play for another 3 years though. Sure, he was being an a$$; my point is, just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean people don't get seriously hurt. "its part of the game" - sure, but had his marker been limited to semi only, or 6, 7 bps, would the same outcome happen? Doubtful.

Yes, I was hospitalized for 2 days for a concussion. It also took very long time for this to heal. I have had a lot worse pain and didn't pass out. What I remembered when I came to - I had come to a paintball field. My first question, What the hell happened??? I didn't fully remember any of that day for awhile. No, it wasn't just a bloody neck. Yes, I was hospitalized, and during that time, they did numerous tests to make sure I didn't have any internal bleeding. I was lucky, I can still walk, talk, type and use semi proper grammar and punctuation.

Hey I need to do some testing will you let me shoot you in the head and neck 15 times at 300fps at 12 to 15 ft. Its a soft tissue exposure thing.

Being hit multiple times may be unsafe, but who knows this? I've never seen any tests or investigations into it.

Guess who this is. No links for you since you dont need them

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[tyrion2323]

Being hit multiple times may be unsafe, but who knows this? I've never seen any tests or investigations into it.

I've never seen any studies done on the casualty rate of being attacked by catamount, but I'm willing to bet a lot of money that it's something to avoid. We can't just ignore problems and risks because we don't have studies and data on them. That's some seriously fuzzy logic.

[dolphin1823]

ALso Lohman maybe its cause youre using an Ion and not my Viking

15 bps is easy. The Ion however is not so easy. And very few ppl have their trigger setup properly. I know its prefernce, but if you shot my viking, you would see what I am talking about.

AND, I can empty a full hopper and sustain over 15bps for an extended period of time raking. Walking is not as easy to sustain, but raking will get you there.

considering most hoppers hold about 180 paintballs, you have 12 seconds of shooting @ 15bps before you run out of paint.

really people, there's not one person in the world who knows how fast they can shoot in a game. how does one figure out how many bps their shooting? I think there's sound analyses and putting x number of paintballs in your loader and timing how fast you empty it and taking the average, so who has time to do that in a game? sure at home or at a target range, no prob, but in a game? Come on!

[bound for glory]

wrong! i know your on drugs if you think you can pull 15.

[Lohman446]

I actually said later in the post it would be closer to 5 than 8. And yes I mean that I can acheive that ROF, or a little more for enough time. Who needs to sustain 15bps for a whole happer? I cant think of many scenarios where 15bps would need to be sustained for any long period of time except for a breakout.

Alright, $20 for a video of five seconds at no less than 15BPS that meets the previously stated requirements by me in this thread.

[yakitori]

Alright, $20 for a video of five seconds at no less than 15BPS that meets the previously stated requirements by me in this thread.

I choose the trigger technique then. It doesnt have to be walking either. OR "pulling" Since Ive said that it can be done raking. Unfortunately My viking only has a razor blade trigger on it, and my Ion is not gonna be extremely easy to do . I will try to get one up w/ me shooting in the backyard w/ my Ion.

ANd that will be an avg of 15bps. Of course there may be some time between shots that you could say it was 12bps or whatever. Does that mean I lose? Why arent you getting it. Im saying that ppl can shoot an AVG of 15bps raking. Is it practical? no. But you are saying that NOBODY can do it. Do you realize what you are saying?

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AnD BEEMER, I give up, Who is it? Please tell me.

And for the kid that got shot w/ 6 balls in the mask from that close. Yes, its not a ramping guns fault. Where I play when you bunker someone you dont light them up like that. That is what the first three shots semi are for in ramping mode. You cant blame that on a gun, but the person using the gun. It couldve very well been done w/ a gun w/o ramping.

And also, if you read the caution warning on ALL gogs, its says that dont use in velocity over 300fps. And if shot directly in the gogs from 10ft away replace lenses.

So, in that case it couldve been a number of things that lead to it. IE, previous hits in the gogs/failure to inspect lenses. Velocity too close to or exceeding 300fps.

Who knows. And that situation would be a rare one. We are taught not to bunker someone in the head. I personally always aim for the pack. And usually when I bunker someone they have their back toward me anyway.

Is there any other legitimate incidents that have happened as a DIRECT result to Ramping?

[bound for glory]

i have my walet out, yak

[yakitori]

If I did it, you would probably accuse me of having it on rebound mode anyway. I dont have anyway to analyze the sound.

I will try to do it, but I only have a digicam that records. Someone will have to analyze the sound for me.

[Lohman446]

If I did it, you would probably accuse me of having it on rebound mode anyway. I dont have anyway to analyze the sound.

I will try to do it, but I only have a digicam that records. Someone will have to analyze the sound for me.

No.. because one of the conditions is seeing the finger movements and "attributing each shot" to a finger movement

PS: and I did not say NOBODY could do it (check carefully), I said only a very select few could do it.

[abunkerer]

A while back over on pbn there was a 1000dollar challenge for anyone who could sustain a legal 15bps...Lots of people got a new perspective on how fast 15bps actually is, because no one was able to pull it off.

I got a M3 chip, I turn the ramp on when Im in a ramp tourney, but I wish I could shut it off after the break, it's a waste of paint.