My point of view on cheating.

[yakitori]

Just to clear up some confusion to some ppl who either cant read my posts correctly or didnt read them at all.

Here is my point of view on cheating (wiping)

I dont cheat. I dont wipe. I dont like wipers. I make sure wipers get enough paint so they cant wipe. I DO HOWEVER, know that it exists in paintball. Cheating exist in EVERY sport. It IS PART OF ANY GAME. If you fail to recognize that cheating exists and call everyone cheaters and complain about cheating, what does that say about your intelligence. I mean, you call ppl a cheater just cause they recognize that it exists in ANY game, yet you talk about cheating.

When I get shot, I call myself out. I tell the person good shot and ask them how it happened. What move did they make, what was sticking out on my equipment? etc.

I DONT CHEAT. I DONT LIKE CHEATERS.

Thats my point of view on it. It does exists. If saying that cheating exist and recognizing it makes person a cheater, then we are all cheaters. Cause when you post and complain about cheating then you recognize that it exist.

[cdacda13]

I agree with your point of view, and Im stickin to it.

[SlartyBartFast]

So, chill, state your point of view calmly, and don't let your posts degenerate into name calling.

I disagree that cheating CAN be an acceptable part of any game. It's all a question of degree.

[Aslan]

Cheaters

What cheaters never account for are all the people that play by the rules.

Cheaters work off the assumption that everybody can and does do it, that's their justification for their behavior. If they think everybody is wiping, then they'll wipe. The problem is, everybody doesn't wipe...most people don't.

Cheaters also don't like other cheaters...which is ironic. For example, have you ever seen two cheaters standing 10 ft apart shootng each other and wiping? No. One gets hit and wipes, then yells at the other guy for cheating when he does it...they think that's part of the game...trying to get people caught for cheating rather than just not doing it all.

And the hardest thing to get through to cheaters...is you NEVER WIN. Never. Every game you play in that you cheat in, you lost because you cheated. Even if you didn't get caught and won a little trophy...it doesn't matter...because you cheated to get it so it's worthless. And that prize you won, you stole it...you're a theif. People steal stuff all the time so you're not alone...but when some guy steals your gun at a paintball field...don't be a baby about it...because you stole it from it's rightful winner to begin with.

[Tobe2be]

its only cheating if you get caught

[Aslan]

Perfect example

its only cheating if you get caught

It's like putting up a poster...sad really.

[trains are bad]

I draw a distinction between tournament paintball and rec ball.

In rec ball if there is an honor system present and you can't stick to it you should kill yourself because I would get in trouble for doing it for you.

In a paintball tournament where there is and should not be an honor system present, anything goes. It's only cheating if you get caught. The thing is reffing is so bad at most events, that if everyone went by these rules the game would implode.


Paintball is a joke.

Still waiting for it to either grow up or self destruct.

[MarkM]

Just to clear up some confusion to some ppl who either cant read my posts correctly or didnt read them at all.

Here is my point of view on cheating (wiping)

I dont cheat. I dont wipe. I dont like wipers. I make sure wipers get enough paint so they cant wipe. I DO HOWEVER, know that it exists in paintball. Cheating exist in EVERY sport. It IS PART OF ANY GAME. If you fail to recognize that cheating exists and call everyone cheaters and complain about cheating, what does that say about your intelligence. I mean, you call ppl a cheater just cause they recognize that it exists in ANY game, yet you talk about cheating.

When I get shot, I call myself out. I tell the person good shot and ask them how it happened. What move did they make, what was sticking out on my equipment? etc.

I DONT CHEAT. I DONT LIKE CHEATERS.

Thats my point of view on it. It does exists. If saying that cheating exist and recognizing it makes person a cheater, then we are all cheaters. Cause when you post and complain about cheating then you recognize that it exist.

Whilst I agree with the principle of your thoughts I do have a problem with part of your statement. You state above that you "make sure wipers get enough paint so they can't wipe" well ok if you see the person wipe then yes I see your point but the way it reads is that you will light up everyone which is a form of cheating in itself (by cheating in this way I mean going against the rules of the game and overshooting comes under this section as breaking the rules so by implication it is cheating) So thus you are making an assumption that all are cheats and even then you contradict yourself and say it is part of the game. You can't have it all ways.
I will walk when hit, hand on head or hand in the air (event dependant) and yet I still get hit in the back by over zealous opposition players....wander off slowly arms down and sorry you have it coming since you are not indicating that you are out but I would guess that has been covered more than once or twice before.
Breaking out with your hand across your face says you are preparing to wipe so expect some of that extra love you are talking about above but not all players act like this.

[can'tthink of1]

I draw a distinction between tournament paintball and rec ball.

In rec ball if there is an honor system present and you can't stick to it you should kill yourself because I would get in trouble for doing it for you.

In a paintball tournament where there is and should not be an honor system present, anything goes. It's only cheating if you get caught. The thing is reffing is so bad at most events, that if everyone went by these rules the game would implode.


Paintball is a joke.

Still waiting for it to either grow up or self destruct.

Well said, I agree.

I know cheating is part of the tournament side of paintball, but its just so big compared to other forms of cheating in other sports, and it's just insane how much cheating goes on. And thats what imo, makes tournament paintball a joke to me. I mean, look at the pro's. They are looked up to many, but they cheat non-stop. Thats not something respectable imo. For me, paintball exists a fun hobby where I can go out on a weekend with friends and just have a fun time. However, wiping/playing on has spread to rec speedball, and it really pisses me off. Its like, I know someone is cheating in rec, so I put a couple love shots on them, and then I get *****ed at for overshooting. All this in rec-ball.

But yeah, I'm against cheating, and I don't cheat, but I understand it's in tournament paintball, I just find that the degree its in tournyball is insane.

[CrimsonGhost]

Meh, I have seen more cheaters in Rec ball than on a Tour field.
Just a law of averages...there are more people playing rec than tour.(REAL Tour, not pick up speedball games)
Tour cheating is just more Obvious, you don't have a field full of people all over the place to keep track of.
Think of it as watching a football game , You see the plays and some of the "illegal" stuff that goes on. You don't hear everything and can't see what happen in the pile up.(Hehe thumbs in the EYe and throat ..always amusing )
Pro football has a bajillion refs all over the place watching the Entire field at once.
More eyes, less likely to be cheating ...more likely to get caught.

Paintball Tour Refs are BARELY able to handle the major stuff that does get caught.

Cheat at your own risk and don't cry when you get caught.
Get caught? Suck it up and quit wiping... or ....nah ..nm ...I will leave it at that.

Its a choice...can't handle it ...don't try it.

[Kevmaster]

cheating in rec ball, in my humble opinion, is irreprehensable. its just like pickup basketball..you call your own fouls. its your reputation and character on the line. if thats not enough to get you to play within the rules, i dont want to play with you.

that said, tournaments/real games are different. much like real game basketball, cheating is a CALCULATED risk. you may get caught and get in trouble. You may not. either way, you are doing something to try to get ahead. if you fail, tough luck. if you succede, congrats. 'Dirty' play is in another category, however. Thats not acceptable.

[SpitFire1299]

If your with a group of friends and no one is playing to seriously, Cheating is no big deal. If your in a tournament for money, cheating should get you kicked out. It all depends on the situation because sometimes its fun to shoot someone up when they cheat.

[Eric Cartman]

cheating in rec ball, in my humble opinion, is irreprehensable.

[Kevmaster]

:)

grazie

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

well then yak, why were you cheating all day when we played... I mean I know I shot you like 50,000 times and you would just go down in the snake and wipe it... I think the ref was helping you too, thats so much bs...

Hah just kidding bud, you played really well and were more than fair and even when the ref called you out you didnt throw a fit or anything, really said alot about you. thanks for all the good games that day. also I think that ref needs to be fired or something he was doing a crappy job, I dunno wtf he was watching but It wasnt paintball.

good post. I feel the same.