Hammerhead barrels, and their lies!

[Target Practice]

The amount of hits can add spin to the ball and that will affect the ball's travel. If it never happened, then the balls would never curve right, left, up or down, after they left the end of the barrel. Do you want random spin or less than random spin?

The movement of the ball in flight is better attributed to the inhearent instability of a sphere in flight, not the contact of the barrel.

As far as my crono experiences, there are numerous witnesses to my statement. It is a simple statement. No need to read more into it than is posted.

So your saying that Tom and Mr. Mills tests are incorrect, because it works better for you? Again, your success is merely psychological or coincidental.

Can I "break balls' further downrange than players without Hammerhead barrels? Yes. Does it improve my game? Yes.

Again, much of this can be attributed to the psychological improvement that a $250 barrel brings.

"Rifled" barrels in paintball do not, acutally or theoretically, impart any spin on the ball, nor do they play a part in paintball accuracy with regards to imparting axial spin on the projectile."

I'm still waiting for someone to tell my that/why I'm wrong.

[Miscue]

To respond:
Miscue totally botched his explanation. He clearly stated that the ball, travelling through the "big hole" didn't touch the sides of the barrel. That is absurd.

There was no botching of an explanation. What I said was sufficiently clear that reasonable people should be able to understand what I was getting at. Although I could have further clarified, it was unnecessary... and you are incorrect in trying to point this out as a flaw, which it is not.

What's absurd is this idea that a gelatin sphere can bounce around randomly in a "rifled" barrel, and somehow the ball still spins in some uniform, controlled manner (isn't this the goal of rifling?). I didn't mention this because it is S-T-U-P-I-D. It should be self-evident that this is ridiculous, so I had no reason to bring it up.

The only situation that makes any sense at all, that has some shot of plausibility, is if the barrel at least holds the ball in place while fired - taking this bouncing out of the picture. And even this does not hold up well, as has been discussed in this thread. If the rifled tip has a larger diameter than the ball, how can this be?

[Lohman446]

Standing bet - assuming we can get cooperation from Bill or TK to do the testing

I argue that the hammerhead barrel does not shoot further than a premium grade barrel of my choosing made by Dye, Lapco, Armson, or SP.

I'll even define better - with some given quantitative leeway given

I assert that if you fired 100 balls from a controlled marker where the only variable was the barrel (same height, same velocity, same marker, same paint, same paint to barrel match, etc - controlled) using the hammerhead barrel and then using the above barrel of my choice that the average hammerhead would not exceed the average range of the other barrel - for variable purposes I'm throwing in a 10% margin of error here.

I assert further that if you fired 100 balls (under the same controlled environment) at an 8" target placed at 100 feet from the hammerhead barrel and then 100 balls from the above barrel of my choosing that the hammerhead barrel would not prove to be more accurate. Again, for variable purposes that are not foreseen lets throw in a 10% margin of error.

Step up... make the bet, I'll bet $100 now that under the above controlled test, done by either of the mentioned third parties (if they are willing), that the hammerhead - as produced now - does not prove more accurate and to have more range than the barrel of my choosing.

Come on now. You did all the R&D before making your claims... you are sure of them right?

[Miscue]

Tom's already tested this to death. And, it would be hardly worthwhile for either person.

[Mike Smith]

hitech, that is silly-stupid. Have you ever shot a yellow and green ball and watched it? It spins. If the yellow side comes out of the barrel on the left side, it will NOT stay there. They always come out spinning. Where does that "spin" come from? Paintball pixies?

Ok. Little ball fits in little hole just right (the supposed goal of barrel/paint match). Does the little ball fit just right in the big hole? Nooo. That's why it's the "big" hole. Now if it doesn't fit right in the "big" hole, and the rifling in the big hole does not come into contact with the little ball, what does this particular "rifling" do exactly?

So, Miscue, when you stated that the rifling in the big hole does not come into contact with the little ball, you didn't really mean that the rifling in the big hole did not come in contact with the "little ball"... Whatever.

Target Practice, if your impression of what I stated about my crono experiences feeds your delusion about what I stated, well... OK.

Again, much of this can be attributed to the psychological improvement that a $250 barrel brings.

I paid $110 for my Hammerhead.

But the bottom line is..... Believe what you want to believe, shoot whichever barrel makes you happy.... and denegrate everyone else, so you feel good about your opinions and choice of barrel.... Well, you can ignore that last part, if you want to.

[Target Practice]

But the bottom line is..... Believe what you want to believe, shoot whichever barrel makes you happy.... and denegrate everyone else, so you feel good about your opinions and choice of barrel....

You never answered my question.

Do you think that the all the reseach and tests done by Tom and Mr. Mills are wrong?

Edit: Furthermore, since the anti-rifling people have brought forth sources that clearly show the research that supports our views, please substantiate your clames with hard data. You cite no sources that support your view, and you tell us that we blindly believe something?

Sounds stupid when you read it, doesn't it. Maybe you should learn how this whole "proving your point" thing works.

[Mike Smith]

Do you think that the --->all<---- the research and tests done by Tom and Mr. Mills are wrong?

No.

[Eric Of Extreme Measures]

Hey Hammerheads are Great, My Hammerhead is not $300 dollars either, it is only $130 on Ebay...

Come on guys BUY IT NOW and get Free shipping...

Eric

[magman007]

ok, so lets ignore all the testing tom has done, which is invariably better than anything you kids tend to believe is true, with true science behind it. Look, the liquid in the ball, doesnt spin, therefore, the shell is the onl ything spinning, ever turn your glass with liquid in it? notice how the liquid doesnt spin? its exactly what you would be doing. the barrels, unless some one can defy physics, dont work. it is hype.

I remember speaking with the hammerhead reps, and i remember laughing my arse off afterwards.

Give up.

[Mike Smith]

ok, so lets ignore all the testing tom has done,

Let's start with a false premise and build on it...

ever turn your glass with liquid in it? notice how the liquid doesnt spin?

Wrong. Put a drop of food coloring into the water and spin it more than one time around in the same direction.

Got anything else, any other "experiments" that you want people to try?

Here's mine:
Shoot contrasting 2 tone paint out of your gun. Watch the paintball. Notice it spinning. Now that we have established that paintballs DO spin when they exit a barrel, is it possible that the rifling would impart a small degree of control on the spinning paintball?

As an alternate, shoot several "dark" paintballs at a sheet suspended in the air, about 30-40 feet away from the gun. Pick up those paintballs from the ground. Get under a bright light with a decent magnifying glass. Notice the scratches. My scratches are on opposite sides of the paintball. Where are your scratches?

[SlartyBartFast]

Shoot contrasting 2 tone paint out of your gun. Watch the paintball.

What absolute nonsense!

Watch the paintballs? So, your eyes are more powerful and accurate than the high speed camera and strobes used by TK?

Your intuition and feeling better than measured flight paths?

Come on.

Paintballs spin out of every barrel. Rifled or not.

What YOU have to PROOVE with DATA is that whatever spin that is imparted is both:

CONSISTENT
and
EFFECTIVE

It is impossible for you to prove either. It is completely illogical to believe either in light of the available data and tests.

You say that you don't refute ALL of TK's testing. So, what parts do you agree with and which do you disagree with?

[Muzikman]

I dunno if this is an actual question or not, but I don't think so. As you can see, the rounds themselves are "rifled".

The Barrel of the FN303 is NOT rifled. As TP shows, the rounds themselves have fins. But, the reason the FN rounds actualy work is because of the nose weight. Manike had made rounds out of nylon (or some similar material) and because of their much lighter nose weight they did not fly.

[TheTramp]

[Muzikman]

Standing bet - assuming we can get cooperation from Bill or TK to do the testing

I argue that the hammerhead barrel does not shoot further than a premium grade barrel of my choosing made by Dye, Lapco, Armson, or SP.

I'll even define better - with some given quantitative leeway given

I assert that if you fired 100 balls from a controlled marker where the only variable was the barrel (same height, same velocity, same marker, same paint, same paint to barrel match, etc - controlled) using the hammerhead barrel and then using the above barrel of my choice that the average hammerhead would not exceed the average range of the other barrel - for variable purposes I'm throwing in a 10% margin of error here.

I assert further that if you fired 100 balls (under the same controlled environment) at an 8" target placed at 100 feet from the hammerhead barrel and then 100 balls from the above barrel of my choosing that the hammerhead barrel would not prove to be more accurate. Again, for variable purposes that are not foreseen lets throw in a 10% margin of error.

Step up... make the bet, I'll bet $100 now that under the above controlled test, done by either of the mentioned third parties (if they are willing), that the hammerhead - as produced now - does not prove more accurate and to have more range than the barrel of my choosing.

Come on now. You did all the R&D before making your claims... you are sure of them right?

Get me the barrels and we can do this at IAO.

[hitech]

hitech, that is silly-stupid. Have you ever shot a yellow and green ball and watched it? It spins. If the yellow side comes out of the barrel on the left side, it will NOT stay there. They always come out spinning. Where does that "spin" come from? Paintball pixies?

Paintballs spin when shot from most (all?) markers/barrels. However, this low speed spin (under 3k rpms) does NOT affect accuracy or distance AT ALL.

Again, much of this can be attributed to the psychological improvement that a $250 barrel brings.

I paid $110 for my Hammerhead.