Ugh I'm tired of hearing about it...

[MadPSIence]

that's the thing, it is becoming a problem in the woods. rec players are playing with enhanced modes and if the tournament refs can't catch them then the re refs sure as heck arent going to. most of the rec refs are gun whoring kids who work at the paintball shop anyway, they like to see people shooting fast. to them the faster you shoot the cooler you are. at least that's how it is around here.

truth.

[Maggot6]

Personally, I'd love it if they had a paradigm shift somewhere where you couldn't have electronic markers. Stuff like the (dead) hAIR trigger would dominate the feild. Now, I am not just talking about mags getting big,(And well, it'd be nice if mags were more popular too ) but just everything having that really light trigger pull, but no real possible way to cheat with your gun. Because there is no way to tell people with different boards etc Now that they should stop using them. As long as there are electronic markers with boards, people will try to get ramping as a feature. Anyone agree, or disagree?

[yakitori]

If you like ir or not, the monster is out of its cage and there is no getting it back in.

I think we had this same sort of debate a few other times....

*12 gram or CA?
*Pump or semi?
*Co2 or HPA?
*Mechanical or Electro?
and now its
*Ramping or no Ramping?

The game is evolving. Personally I liked paintball when it was my little secret, and every little 12yo with a skateboard wasnt playing

agreed. And AGDlover, how do you "know" what the ppl who invented paintball had in mind? Were you a part of it. When they invented planes, they had no idea that we would travel to space either. But we have. So should we be griping that we should still be flying The Wright brothers Original model?

Gimme a break. Stop complaining. The whining type is what is making paintball no fun. There are situations where ramping is appropriate, and deemed legal as such. For rec, its not a good thing.

NPPL doenst allow ramping. Its supposed to be semi only. Many ppl cheat and if they are caught they are penalized. The NPPL will NEVER supply boards for tourneys, because there is too large a variety of guns for them to do that. They would have to have hundreds of boards for each brand/type of gun. I doubt it will happen that way. The best thing they can do is keep improving on checking for cheaters.

I dont know whats worse. Threads with ppl bragging about how fast they can shoot w/ ramping, or ppl starting threads griping about ppl who brag about how fast they can shoot with ramping.

and how many times have we heard this statement "I can shoot 14-16bps on my RT mag" . And why arent you complaining about Tippmann RTs or Mags that are rapid firing because of higher input pressures or on/off mods? You see more of those kinds of guns in woods/rec that are being used to get a High ROF than you do a DM4, or Freestyle, or timmy. Yet you complain about guns that ppl hardly use in rec.

[JAM]

Everything was simple, no arguements, and no cheating.

Well, your "research" was wrong... there was certainly just as many arguments and just as much cheating. People will always find a way to get an edge over an opponent- sometimes it goes right up to the "line" of acceptability or legality, and sometimes just over it. I still find paintball as funa dn challenging today as it was in the days of pumps and CO2 powerlets.

[tony3]

well tony how would you feel if you have to spend 5 days getting shot at, baking in 90 degree + weather, only having a few slices of HOT pizza as the only meal, and putting up with the yelling of the spectators and teams?
As for the ramping... yea you wanna find a sollution? because banning and outlawing them is definately not happening

Refs at the chicago open got paid almost 14 dollars an hour for their job. I don't care if you didn't get enough food to eat, if it was hot, or if people were yelling at you. If you want to ref you need to be much stricter and not be influenced by spectators and teams. A good ref will put all that yelling out of his mind and just watch the game and not listen to anyone else. Too bad refs just want to please the masses even if it means making a bad call.

[Dayspring]

One man versus the entire paintball world...

From now on all my mags will buy or build will be mechs. theres no point for some BS ramping

[68magOwner]

yes, i play with ramping/PSP firing mode rules, no, i do not like it, however, i DO feel that i has accomplished its goal of having legal markers on the field. prior to the PSP rules, i personally knew alot of guys with uncapped ramping, and almost everyone had at least some bounce. Now everyone is shooting 15bps with nearly no exceptions. Do i think that ramping takes away form the gunskills part of the game? Absolutely, but, for anyone who actually plays under PSP shooting rules, it is intense, almost constant firing from all guys=alot more paying attention to angles and alot more precise play, i think it has changed an aspect of the game, but, not necessarily for the worse.

[ojhspyro89]

The game is evolving. Personally I liked paintball when it was my little secret, and every little 12yo with a skateboard wasnt playing

Yeah whats with that....

Paintball is paintball. In the tournements that go around here there is no ramping or whatever. I dont have ramping on my gun and really dont want it.

All this ramping is just because of us americans, getting lazier and lazier.

[LIGHTEMUP]

ah i hear ya it sure was a mother trucker trying to sell my shocker and why? because it didnt have the nerve board in it! this is agravating do we really need to be shooting over 20 bps anyway?

[wyn1370]

From now on all my mags will buy or build will be mechs. theres no point for some BS ramping

hypocrite much?
Didn't you start a thread asking who had also pre-ordered a preditor board?

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=177680

[AGDlover]

omg wow i ordered a Predboard WOOPTI DOO!!! I bought it because i want to see how well it does proform. I'm still gonna have my 3.2 laying around

[Flow_Tech]

i didnt read a damn post on this thread besides the first one,but if your sick of hearing about it,stop clicking on posts that have stuff to do with it and dont make another post about it thats going to start an argument.your not going to change the fact that people ramp.i ramp,other people on AO ramp,hell,i bet you will ramp soon enough.i used to say "ill never ramp" but now i do.just quit your whining.

[SlartyBartFast]

NPPL doenst allow ramping. Its supposed to be semi only. Many ppl cheat and if they are caught they are penalized..

That's one mighty big IF. Even when a player cheated by sniping from the woods the organisers didn't have the balls to kick the team out and the player in question still had his fanboy supporters and appologists.

So, no one has yet shown the courage to impose penalties that really matter.

Secondly, how are the electronic cheats supposed to be detected? The NPPL uses a "robot", right? It's so simple to work around that. Even the NXL with the glove chronos isn't that hard to have the markers quickly switch to legal mode whenever checked.

The NPPL will NEVER supply boards for tourneys, because there is too large a variety of guns for them to do that. They would have to have hundreds of boards for each brand/type of gun. I doubt it will happen that way. The best thing they can do is keep improving on checking for cheaters..

Rubbish. The only reason it's not done is they don't really want to tackle cheating in an effective manner. Making a universal board that didn't allow any illegal adjustments would be simple. The cost could easily be included into the registration fees.

Or, only allow manufacturer sealed boards and make the manufacturers put up a bond to prove they can't be run using cheat modes.

and how many times have we heard this statement "I can shoot 14-16bps on my RT mag" . And why arent you complaining about Tippmann RTs or Mags that are rapid firing because of higher input pressures or on/off mods?

I said in another thread: Put up or shut up. Show us one hypocrite that defends the use of Mags or Tippmans that fire against the rules while complaining about electronic marers that break the rules.

The difference is that in these casse, the "pros" if they are truly professional, and the sponsors that support them are supposed to set the example.

Yes, rec play violations are probably far worse. And those violations should be addressed. But those violations do not condone the electronic infractions. Your response is similar to a child whining: "But mommy, Bobby stole candy too."

[yakitori]

Slarty, Im suprised at your lack of intelligence in that post. That was not your greatest rebutals ive seen. The point of my first statement that you quoted and selected the wrong point w/in my statements was....and let me do this slow for you.

PPl earlier in the thread are making statements like the NPPL has adopted the 15bps rule.......which is wrong.....so I go on to say that NPPL is semi only. I dont know how you selected a two letter word in my whole sentence (IF) to exemplify on.

Then you say that the only reason NPPL doesnt supply boards is because they dont want to tackle cheating. That sounds a bit farfetched and radical if you ask me. Unless you are on the NPPL committee that enforces rules and actually know some inside info that we dont? Are you? My statement is not rubbish. A lot of NPPL teams use their own equipment. I dont know about you, but if a board is going to be put in my gun it may not be that hard, but some guns will require soldering, and there are going to be some BS arguments w/ that. Are they going to want the board back after use? Are they going to issue and install the boards before EACH event? NO. Its impractical. Thats the whole point of NPPL firing modes on a board. So, w/ your mute point made, its apparent that your statement is more rubbish than mine.

And Ive seen too many posts with ppl asking......"how fast can the rt/ULT/mag shoot?" ppls responses.....I can pull 15-16bps on mine. Thats a lie. And usually the ppl griping about ramping are rec.../scenario/ woodsball players....and they will see more tippmann RTs, and mag RTs rather than High end electros.

Stop your whining......I dont see how I sound childish. Look at your statements. They are more childish than anyone else that has posted.

[yakitori]

i didnt read a damn post on this thread besides the first one,but if your sick of hearing about it,stop clicking on posts that have stuff to do with it and dont make another post about it thats going to start an argument.your not going to change the fact that people ramp.i ramp,other people on AO ramp,hell,i bet you will ramp soon enough.i used to say "ill never ramp" but now i do.just quit your whining.

agreed. I think the reason ppl w/ emags whine is because they dont have ramping software yet. I hear it all the time, griping about other guns, and hailing emags etc. Being a good player has nothing to do w/ being the fastest shooter.