To the few people here I won't name..

Oh man, would you get over it? Half of you Madpsience included, are just as bad about praising mags as the wholy grail to all that is paintball than the mag bashers are to bashing them. I for one, do not bash them, but i will tell you, they arent all that some people on this site hype them up to be.

Get over it already, public board, public posters.

I know for a fact some of the bashers have been warned.

Welcome to automags.org

You have no right to tell anyone here to stop praising mags. It doesn't even matter if the praise is exaggerated. This is the place where you need to just shut up and accept it. If not, EVERY other type of marker has it's own owners site. And if you're in the mood to criticize guns... there's non-specific sites like PBR, PBN etc...

This Is The House That Tom Built, Do Not Come Here And Say The Furniture Sucks.

Okay?

**Blazestorm** · 08-02-2005, 06:54 PM

I honestly think you should be quiet. You've been here for a few months, not years like some people including myself. We know what AO was. We've all owned mags, why else would we be on www.automags.org... we realized they weren't for us but continued to visit the forum because we thought it was a great place to go to. Now we come here less often because we realized that most of the people here are blind and think mags are the best marker and the ONLY marker people should own.

**MadPSIence** · 08-02-2005, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Blazestorm

I honestly think you should be quiet. You've been here for a few months, not years like some people including myself. We know what AO was. We've all owned mags, why else would we be on www.automags.org... we realized they weren't for us but continued to visit the forum because we thought it was a great place to go to. Now we come here less often because we realized that most of the people here are blind and think mags are the best marker and the ONLY marker people should own.

If in my 4 months here I can develop more appreciation for the community than you have in your entire stay than maybe that says something worth pondering.

I never said it's a problem to come here because it's a great place visit. I think you're full of it if you're trying to make me believe that someone would sit and bash mags and mag owners if they were only here to "visit" because they like the community.

**yakitori** · 08-02-2005, 07:09 PM

Ya, I agree with some of the above. Ive owned a lot of mags.

Karta Emag 3.2
fireblade trigger
tunapack
EmaX valve
stiffi
Unimount
etc.

Mech mag W emag vavle
ULT
lvl 10
intelli
cp gas thru

mech mag w/ emag valve
ult
lvl 10
15deg asa
logic frame
etc.

And a couple more that have been built using parts that I always seemed to have laying around.

I racked up most of my posts while I owned those mags, and I used to brag about them w/ every breath. I used to love mags to death and I was blind to see that there were GREAT guns out there, way better than what I was using. I have since moved on.

Then you came along, you have about half the posts as me, and youve been around for a little while. You have no knowledge of these "unnamed" users that you wish would go away and their history or their begginings w/ AO. You think that we should bug off.

You see where this is going. Given the story I just laid out for you, who seems like the bigger jerk? hmmm.... Thats a tuffy.

Not every post about mags get bashed. I see some really ugly ones and say nothing. I see some nice ones, and say ....nice mag. I hear the moot bragging about them like they are the superguns of today, and I say......yeah right.

Its a public forum...get over it.

**Blazestorm** · 08-02-2005, 07:12 PM

When have I once bashed mag owners? Ever?

I used to like the community, because back then, it didn't matter what gun you had. Every single person enjoyed paintball and wanted to learn more about it, get better at it, and continue playing it. Flame wars were literally non existant, and there was nobody putting anyone or any marker down. There was no "hate". Tom would personally come on here and post something funny. We had AO Chat parties where Tom would give stuff away, they were hilarious and a lot of fun. He even had a webcam setup that you could move yourself. One night at 3am I started to use it to find Tom at his desk! I thought it was broken when he took out a notepad and wrote "Hi!!!" and showed it to the webcam. 3am my time = 5-6am his time. He was up all night working and looking on AO.

This used to be my main forum, I used to use PBN only for selling stuff because of a larger user base I'm more likely to get something sold.

I used to love AO, you're one of the reasons It became the second forum I visit.

You know nothing of what AO used to be, you can't appreciate anything being here for 4 months. I've been here since I started playing (Well a few months after). I enjoyed what this community was, and wish it could become that again. Sneakyhacker getting something new and green... and that one kid... completely forgot his name... having his mom make him a Pie suit to wear at an AO Day.

I hosted an AO Day last Julyish (2004), only around 10-12 people showed up, The field owner said through email we would get to setup the field for free no problem. We show up and says it's $150 bucks for him to call his refs to setup the field. I pulled that out of my own pocket, bought 10 cases of paint ahead of time so that everyone could get cheap paint. And I was 15 at the time.

Enjoy AO for what it is, but don't try to tell me I don't know what AO has become.

**Target Practice** · 08-02-2005, 07:13 PM

Look, there are people on here that think Mags are the be-all-end-all greatest things in the world. There are also people on here that think that the Mag is the worst thing to come out of paintball since Bea Young.

What I don't understand is, why do people like you have a problem with it. Just ignore it. It's not that hard.

You know, people tell us that we should overlook horrific spelling and terrible grammar, yet when someone comes on here and says "Mags SUCK!", the same people get all uppity.

I mean, it's just the Internet, right? Or does that arguement only go one way?

**Vex** · 08-02-2005, 07:14 PM

To all of you who don't like what MadPSIence is saying: You suck it up.
He has a good point and you are bashing him. AO is a great place for Mag AND Non-Mag owners. Just because you no longer feel that Mags are the Holy Grail of paintball, does not give you the right to bash someone else's opinion of them. However, the same holds true for us rabid Mag owners--just because someone else has moved away from Mags, doesn't give us the right to say they are traitors, etc.

Basically, if you really want praise for your non-Mag marker--go to the appropriate website for that marker. You'll get a lot more.

Don't bash us Mag owners on our choice to stay with and defend Mags (especially on AO.) It's our choice as much as it was yours to move away.

**MadPSIence** · 08-02-2005, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by Blazestorm

When have I once bashed mag owners? Ever?

I used to like the community, because back then, it didn't matter what gun you had. Every single person enjoyed paintball and wanted to learn more about it, get better at it, and continue playing it. Flame wars were literally non existant, and there was nobody putting anyone or any marker down. There was no "hate". Tom would personally come on here and post something funny. We had AO Chat parties where Tom would give stuff away, they were hilarious and a lot of fun. He even had a webcam setup that you could move yourself. One night at 3am I started to use it to find Tom at his desk! I thought it was broken when he took out a notepad and wrote "Hi!!!" and showed it to the webcam. 3am my time = 5-6am his time. He was up all night working and looking on AO.

This used to be my main forum, I used to use PBN only for selling stuff because of a larger user base I'm more likely to get something sold.

I used to love AO, you're one of the reasons It became the second forum I visit.

You know nothing of what AO used to be, you can't appreciate anything being here for 4 months. I've been here since I started playing (Well a few months after). I enjoyed what this community was, and wish it could become that again. Sneakyhacker getting something new and green... and that one kid... completely forgot his name... having his mom make him a Pie suit to wear at an AO Day.

I hosted an AO Day last Julyish (2004), only around 10-12 people showed up, The field owner said through email we would get to setup the field for free no problem. We show up and says it's $150 bucks for him to call his refs to setup the field. I pulled that out of my own pocket, bought 10 cases of paint ahead of time so that everyone could get cheap paint. And I was 15 at the time.

Enjoy AO for what it is, but don't try to tell me I don't know what AO has become.

If people brag about mags and act like they are the be all end all of guns... you know what.

This is their place to do it. But in most cases they don't have to do that to be flamed.

btw, when I made this thread; I didn't have your name in mind. Your place here was never in question.

**Blazestorm** · 08-02-2005, 07:20 PM

I never thought it was. 2 years ago I would have believed this was the mag forum... now it's too mixed to be anything but a paintball forum.

**MadPSIence** · 08-02-2005, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Target Practice

Look, there are people on here that think Mags are the be-all-end-all greatest things in the world. There are also people on here that think that the Mag is the worst thing to come out of paintball since Bea Young.

What I don't understand is, why do people like you have a problem with it. Just ignore it. It's not that hard.

You know, people tell us that we should overlook horrific spelling and terrible grammar, yet when someone comes on here and says "Mags SUCK!", the same people get all uppity.

I mean, it's just the Internet, right? Or does that arguement only go one way?

Frankly I don't know how you draw conclusion's on correcting spelling and grammer here on AO to bashing mags and correcting exaggerated praise for mags.

If the site was www.carelessspellingandgrammar.org then maybe you'd have a bit of a start. Fact is, if you don't like mags.. ok. But if you need to express your dislike on a mag meant for mag owners.. then you have no place here.

**MadPSIence** · 08-02-2005, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Blazestorm

I never thought it was. 2 years ago I would have believed this was the mag forum... now it's too mixed to be anything but a paintball forum.

Well, maybe my efforts here are to preserve the mag atmosphere. Or, at least the good name of mags that is getting slandered by people who have little idea what they are talking about.

I may be only a few months into this site itself.. but not into paintball, or mags. I know mags top to bottom and frankly that leaves me angry when people call them unworthy, useless, clunky or a thing of the past. Tell that to all of the dedicated private makers of custom mag parts. They'd probably start tossing slug bodies.

To the few people here I won't name..

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