To the few people here I won't name..

[11 Bravo]

I am sure that he was talking to the people that do nothing but bash automags. I am sure he was not talking to anyone that objectively points out the flaws in order to make a good point and maybe try to fix that flaw. The people that do nothing but bash mags in every thread that they get in is who he is talking about. And they should move on.

And maybe AO is not the forum that it was because of the attitude of some of the members that are bashing instead of contributing.

And why do people constantly compare a mech automag to an electric gun? I would think that to be fair you should compare mech to mech and electric to electric?

[11 Bravo]

I would think that the number of posts someone has would not be an important part of being a member of the forum. I think that seeing how this is the Automag owners forum that owning an automag would be more important than how many posts you've made.

[VFX_Fenix]

so you are saying he is a communist? because we dont take kindly to communists

I don't think he's a pinko, though he is Canadian.... hmmm lol j/k

Anyway, Magman, here's a post from AO's antiquity - http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=45200

11 Bravo - The problem largely lies with the nature of the Automag at this time and the environment of the paintball industry. The Automag, appart from certain "custom" guns is very expensive and is more expensive than even it's old counterpart, the Autococker, with similar features installed (double trigger, flashy body, ability to take screw-in barrels) Paradigm Pro is $450, a Prostock is $330 and that comes with a barrel. For the cost of the Paradigm Pro you could have purchsed your AC and bought some ups and other gadgets for it with the $120 you saved just on the initial purchase.

Mech vs. Mech, the Automag doesn't stack up too favorably if only for cost, and the lack of a direct Electronic upgrade route which is widely avalible for Autocockers in the form of Racegun conversions and eBlades. For the Automag, Mech is it unless you want to double the cost of the gun and get a Devil/Logic frame/conversion or a decidedly cheaper option which isn't out yet in the PTP P-Mag.

There's also the problem that people want electro guns, it's a fact and there's no getting around it. Anyone who wants to get an Electro that asks for an opinion will likely hear "Get a Mag instead" for a number of reasons. There's a certain amount of machismo revolving around mag owners who claim to legally be able to shoot very quickly on their mech Mags or the circular argument of "I don't need the speed, I just need a clean shot" or something to that effect.

Tournament mindset from the word "go" in the NPPL has been "He who lays down the most paint wins" and given that everything else is equal, that's very true. Given two teams of equal skill it's very likely that the team that shoots the most is going to be the victor for no other reason than, while they're out shooting, the other team isn't.

[11 Bravo]

I get the fealing that people are only thinking in terms of speedball. I would agree that an automag would not be the best speedball gun. But in woodsball I would think that it would be great especialy if you had the rt set up correctly. I think that if you compared a mech mag to a mech Tippmann they are both reliable but in the long run the Automag is going to last longer. You get what you pay for. I have an Emag. I know that because it does not have ramping it wont keep up with the other speedball guns that do have it. With a ramping chip I dont see why the other guns would be any better. Besides cosmeticaly (sp). There could be improvement with AGD and I am sure everyone here knows that. It is in bad taste to come on a forum that AGD pays for and do nothing but slam the company.
You can see that in the above paragraph I did point out some downside of automags but it was not a slam. There is a difference.

[Target Practice]

I would think that the number of posts someone has would not be an important part of being a member of the forum. I think that seeing how this is the Automag owners forum that owning an automag would be more important than how many posts you've made.

Maybe not, but someone who's been here 3 years has more authority to speak about what the forum used to be over someone who's been here 3 months.

[Recon by Fire]

Shooting straight

Okay, just my $0.02 and observation:

I understand the intention of the thread but it is a waste of time. AO is suffering from the typical internet mentality.

I don't care that they bash Mags. They are fools. The Mag has not been reinvented because it does not need to be! It is an awesome design and I love it! It is simplistic, reliable, durable, and sexy. What more is there to ask for? I don't care what marker X does or has on it, I am talking about MAGS. And of course they are favored at a place known as AUTOMAGS.ONLINE, who would have thought? Sure I would love it if the childish haters would keep their butts at PBN or wherever they come from but the internet is not as selective unfortunately. So we drive on and ignore the senseless chatter that comes from them, they are bacjground white noise to me.

Tom we miss you (hey, they just found some big old bones in Texas by the way!). The mag design is great, don't ever change a thing

Please also note that I could acre less what those would disagree with my post might say and I won't even bother reading it again anyway, so save your breath kids. But just for the record, my skill and mag will always trash your puny butt and marker de jour on the field.

Everybody loves the dancing banana


VIVA LA AO

[shartley]

Did you know that ao baisically showed everyone the truth about Jim Drew?

Basically? Hardly. AO showed other AO members about Jim Drew. And some AO members also did the same thing on other forums but would have even if they were not members here.

The simple truth is that AO does not, nor even has had, the power to inform the paintball community in general about anything. It does not, nor has ever had, the power to affect sales of other companies to the point that they are influenced or even bothered by it. We have seen this tried a few times with companies big, and small. But the simple truth is that for all the claims of power, AO is impotent in that regard.

Do you realize that AO used to be against the hype?

That ao used to help dispell popular myths?

Do you realize that AO helped develop many of the products you praise to this day?

This is actually true. AO has been used as a sounding board for AGD, a test market, as well as to help iron out issues with new products. This however is not the best way to do things according to most businesses. It lets AO members feel as if they are contributing, but in honesty the company should have done much of the stuff themselves.

Tom has always given AO members a false sense of importance IMHO. But that has lead to diehard loyalists, which I believe AGD was looking for, But folks should not confuse their perceived importance to AGD with that of the entire paintball community. Nor should they confuse the internet paintball community with that of the real world.

You sir have no idea what ao was about, you werent on ao when AO was AO. You have no idea what went on, or how any thing went on. You cant preserve something that is as far gone as ao is now.

http://gprime.net/video.php/reallifevsinternet

(more edits to correct blatent typos)

[BigEvil]

http://gprime.net/video.php/reallifevsinternet

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think everyone need to take their advice and go home and masturbate.

[Lohman446]

You've all right to post here, I'm no mod and can't tell you otherwise. But I can say.. quit being a complete crap and shut up

. Nobody here wants to hear from you.

you're just a thorn in the rear.

Hmm.. there your words, maybe you should take the advice. This forum has always been about discussion, and those that you complain about are a part of the discussion. Don't like it... I'm sure you can find some place better to post, maybe just send yourself e-mails so that everyone will agree with you all the time. I find this thread to serve no other purpose other than to troll for flames myself...

[mcdkid]

you guys arte fighting about a metal tube, and some air... It is can get paint out f the barrel, its good to play with, if it can get paint out of the barrel when you want, everytime you wan it, its GREAT to play with.

Its nice to sometimes have a lighter gun or faster gun, and with work, many guns can be that, or whatever you want.

There is a good way and a bad way to repair things, but neither is getting done, so we have to live with it i guess. All you have to do is ignore a post you don't like.

See no need to fight, now lets all calm down, and go kill some hookers...

[SCpoloRicker]

Well that was the straw that broke the camels back.

madPSIence, welcome to *ignore*.

(Continuing from, oh six months ago) thread at the bar.

And for the record: AO is about players. Not markers. Players.

AO Norcal vs Socal

Now shut up and get off my lawn!

[Alpha]

See no need to fight, now lets all calm down, and go kill some hookers...

And come to paintballforum.com's supereor AGD forum...

We should all have somethign in common here; that we have mags. This is an automags owners group. Thats what the O in AO stands for. You dont join a Chevy group and talk about fords. I know I havent been here but a few months, but I think I really was here to see i all peak.

Like I say on my website: My gun isn't the best looking. Its not the fastest. Its not the lightest or cheapest. But its mine. I like how it works. I like everything about it, including its flaws. I want to own more guns like it. And I want to show people that guns like mine are awesome.

AO used to be the essence of mags. Reguardless or not whether it is such a problem that people bash mags all the time, this site is for automags.

[BigEvil]

These threads are becoming too common. Since this is AUTOMAGS.ORG, I have to agree with Alpha.

Let us cool-aid drinkers be.

[slade]

listen to blazestorm.

maybe its because AO isnt just about hyping and praising mags. almost everyone here joined because they owned a mag, but they found a better marker they liked more. and theres no reason to leave, as you say, because AO isnt exclusively for those who use mags as their main markers. AO is about community, and that is why everyone stays. but unfortunately, the community has died somewhat, and also unfortunately i wasnt here for its peak.

[nt2004]

This is an automags owners group. Thats what the O in AO stands for.

I thought it stood for .org