This just sickens me

[Indignant]

Really come on though. Do you really need 4 cases of paint for 7 games of paintball. How accurate are you???

What do you think we play with, rifles? They don't go right where you shoot it, it takes a few balls to hit someone most of the time. There's also this cool thing called laning, it shoots people out alot of the time.

/prepares for the influx of pump-nazi's

[Lohman446]

I commonly score several eliminations per hopper, and yes I play tournament. The thing is, without backplayers willing to expend several pods to move me, it would not happen.

[Target Practice]

What do you think we play with, rifles?

Yes. I mean, I do.

[SCpoloRicker]

Yes. I mean, I do.

You should see the welts.

[oELEPHANTo]

Speaking of action village, you know what sickens me.

If you have ordered from them lately you will see that the free ups shipping they used to offer has downgraded from UPS to USPS. How crummy is that, it took like 10 days for a package that used to take less than a week to get to me.

Something I have learned is that the ENTIRE PAINTBALL INDUSTRY SUCKS AT QUALITY CONTROL AND/OR CUSTOMER SERVICE. I have yet to find a company that truly is an exception, in any other idustry half these companies would not survive. Oh well I guess thats what we get when more than half the client base are minors, and everybody is out to make a quick buck.

The folks at Q-Loader are nice. There customer service pwns.

[Dayspring]

Apparently you've never made the finals...

Really come on though. Do you really need 4 cases of paint for 7 games of paintball. How accurate are you???

[germanman]

Well, hopefully I will get the new E-Mag pred board, so I'll have the firepower to fight back AO style

[WARPED1]

Ramping is not cheating anymore.

[NewMagMan21]

Well...Im sorry for not clarifying...I cant believe one word destorys my whole statement. So for some of those who tell me to get my facts straight...shut up and burn.
I dont have a problem with ramping when its capped. But when you make boards that have the ability to go higher than the highest cap (15?). Then thats just stupid...especially when there are modes/ features to quickly turn off this dangerously high ramping (yes I said dangerous, getting hit 20 times for point blank is dangerous) so they cant be caught with it.

For some of you that said its a good thing for our sport, and it makes you play smarter. I also pleasently disagree. I dont think it makes anyone play better especially if everyone of both teams are using it. If anything its just a different style of play involving more paint being thrown. If you dont like movement then thats your veiw of playing...I myself think you should move as much as possible and the only reason you can is the foul up of the other team and good move your team...and they did it by themselves not with the help of their marker's abilities.

Maybe Im just old school but I still think it should only take one ball...that is a common misconception in the tourney world...It very commonly takes many more shots what with the wiping and the calls hard to make, and the players playing until the ref calls them...(No honor anymore)

I honestly have only recently gotten back into the tourney world...Im not saying Im an experienced vetran but before this ramping stuff was not common...But what set me off when I was away playing strictly rec...I saw/played with someone who (while playin rec mind you) was ramped up to 20 bps and honestly was horrible at the game...He shot only the actual bunkers, wouldnt move when noone was shooting at him...I was to find out that he was a novice player for a team...and it just sickens me that firepower has just taken over complete skill in some cases...(honestly I dont know how common this is but for me it is quite oftenly found)...That is what sickens me, That is why I vomit, and that is why this is wrong.
I hope I explained my thoughts better even though I'll prolly end up getting verbally raped either way.

[ultralight]

Apparently you've never made the finals...

apparently were feeling a bit elitist today.
by the way, thanks again for being the only one to respond to my tech question.

with regards to ramping and calling ramping boards cheater boards:

i think that ramping boards are fine but the big problem that i see with them is that only a small percentage of the paintballers who look at the ad for that board would actually use that board where it is meant to be used, in a tournament. i think that it is safe to say that a large number of the millions of people who play paintball will never play in speedball or airball tournaments. they may play woodsball, semi only, or pump tournys but that is getting off topic. most of the people who see those boards are going to be rec ballers who think that it will be cool to shoot faster than all of their friends. those may not be a large percentage of the people who actually buy the board at first, but as more and more pro, semi pro, and local tournament players start using ramping the occurance of kids thinking that it is appropriate for rec play will start to increase.
and let's face it, tournament style play is only fun to for a limited segment of players. that's why only a limited segment of players stay in tournament paintball.

as for those that see ramping as cheating, well technically it isn't. so, sorry. you lose. but i can see where you're coming from. it's like if one day the mayor of your city said that because the police were unable to stop all of the murders, that murder was now going to be legal. but you have a limit to the murders that you can commit in a given period of time. i know that murder is a bit harsh but i'm just making a (albeit exaggerated) point. which is, many people are finding it hard to get used to the fact that the game they have come to love is changing. especially because this change only came about due to the inability of the authorities to do anything about it other than to try to accept and regulate it. like if the government stopped wasting money on the war on drugs and just taxed the heck out of legal use instead.

and for those that have the all-change-is-good-get-over-it-or-be-left-behind-you-freaking-caveman attitude well, what if they did something similar for wiping? you get to wipe the first two breaks but the third sends you out? or what if you get to stay in if you wipe the hit on the ground and only the ground? would you stand behind that change as well? what about if they let the guys in the dead box talk?

to all who replied at this point (if any) sorry, i hit the submit button accidentally.

anyway, i'm not saying that the changes that i just suggested would add anything to the game but i was simply trying to illustrate that accepting cheating simply because people continue to break the rules would be a bad thing. if applied to other rules and could lead to future generations of players questioning the validity of the remaning rules and why they should be followed.
i am with several of the others who say that ramping is at least a bit safer than runaway or bounce. but then again we're assuming that the player has the discretion to use ramping responsibly and only in tournaments or games where the players are in agreement that it is ok. in my experience that has not been the case. i have seen plenty of walk on rec players shooting either ramping ions and matrices or e/rt triggered tippmanns shooting way too fast and putting way too many balls on one individual player because they didn't have time to react after they saw the first balls hit their target. or i suppose it could be because they didn't care. in my opinion, paintball is about fun. getting completely pelted by one guy (hey, if you have multiple players shooting at you it is different) is not fun.

sorry to throw the phonebook at you.

[dagon]

i play mainly scenario, in sc ga fl. the problem with ramping is not the rate of fire, rather over shooting. as members of the "paintball community" too, our job to grow the sport. there is a difference between covever fire and bunkering someone at 20+bps. we all know that andif you don't you need to put down the emarker and start with pump. first learn to hit a taget then go to the e toys. companies that make thes peices are just catering to a market that we as a group created. their concern is simply to make money. the use of these products is up to us.have honor and demand the same from others

well said rat
so to make a long story short, it is up to us to play right.

[dagon]

if any one is interested we have been havining a similar conversation at http://www.pbjunkie.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=100
ths is the pb junkie site. we are having a free finnally oct 10th.

[NewMagMan21]

My beliefs exactly for the last to comments...I may have been hasty in saying ramping is cheating...(I meant over the limit dangerously...sorry should have specified)
Ultralight...that is an awsome metaphor(?)...er just way of putting it

[phantomhitman]

Everyone saying people getting bunkered 20+ times are full of it. The people that get lit up are the front guys trying to beat the guys stream. When you run to bunker someone you will hit someone 5-7 times at most because you are running and gunning, you are not going to walk up behind him, stop, hose the guy and walk away. Overshooting has always been a problem since back in the mag-cocker days. Even though they were slower, they were not turtles. You can see old videos of the wood ballers complaining just as much as the new guys of today. Just because some guys have hot heads doesnt mean all tourney players are going to argue, wipe, overshoot, and cry about everything.

The scenario guys can chill out too. They openly use FULL AUTO with no cap on rof. I have never seen a scenario flyer, or been to a scenario, that has any caps on rates of fire. In fact, scenario guys brag about those features more than tourney guys, they modify their equipment in unsafe ways (cutting or adding items to masks, modifying guns with custom parts, etc), and they will paint a whole village pink instead of actually running in and sweeping the place. I have never once heard a tourney guy rag on scenario people but that is not true the other way around. So you guys get off your high horse and stop pointing fingers, a paintballer is a paintballer. Ramping was never considered cheating, it was developed on purpose to level the field and help stop cheating. You guys are confusing ramping with the "cheater boards" that added a shot here or there, or dropped debounce to 1, or secretly turned on and off with a certain button press. In tourneys all guns are SUPPOSED to be locked in at no more than 15 bps, with no way to adjust it other than flipping the dip switches on the board. You cannot simply press something and get up to 20.

Why cant we just say I dont like the tourney scene, or I would rather play tourney ball instead of saying the whole group of people are mean/cheat/ramp/no skill/fat/old/etc? It is an arguement that will never stop because someone always think their ideas are superior to others..........

[Death of Rats]

I have never once heard a tourney guy rag on scenario people but that is not true the other way around.

Was that sarcasm???

You are right about the ragging on the diffrent parts of paintball thou. Everyone has there own thing, some people like the tournaments where your days are filled with terms such as laning, ramping, jerseys, NPPL Girls(only part I really enjoy) prizes, off the break, cheating(even though this is found in other forms of paintball yes, yet not nearly as often most likely due to prizes) and many others. This might not be my scene anymore as I have come to learn in the last few months however for some this is the end all be all of paintball. For those people I hope you enjoy it. I will try not to make fun of any part of the tournament scene if I can so help me God. (other than wiping) (I hate Wiping) (I appear to like parenthesis a lot thou).

Last thing. The pope innocent the third allowing for the castration of little boys to make better singers was not about cheating even though i would whole heartedly endorse any child who tried to cheat his way out of that one, but it was about some rules even though they exist are utterly stupid. Had to make that point.