This just sickens me

[Beemer]

The scenario guys can chill out too. They openly use FULL AUTO with no cap on rof. I have never seen a scenario flyer, or been to a scenario, that has any caps on rates of fire.

Players are responsible for ensuring their paintball gear meets all ASTM and insurance standards and are within the set range of posted chronographed feet-per-second prior to entering the field of play at every insertion.

From here

http://www.celebritypaintball.com/eventinfo.html

A.S.T.M 6.5.4 All paintball markers shall only operate in semiautomatic
or pump mode and may not operate in other discharge modes such as burst,
enhanced trigger or fullyautomatic discharge mode.

I have never seen a Flyer saying FA allowed.

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[Lohman446]

A.S.T.M 6.5.4 All paintball markers shall only operate in semiautomatic
or pump mode and may not operate in other discharge modes such as burst,
enhanced trigger or fullyautomatic discharge mode.

I have never seen a Flyer saying FA allowed.

And for those of you who think that PSP has said ramping is allowed you need to reread the ruels. They just very carefully define the tests they will do and what a marker must pass in a way that leaves over 3BPS and under 15BPS in a vague area. Its not the PSP that is going to take the fall for ramping tragedies should they occur

[phantomhitman]

I have never seen a Flyer saying FA allowed.

I have never seen a flyer say no full auto or burst either. You have to be brain dead to even think that the scenario guys play legal one shot one pull. Look at videos of any scenario you can find, full auto on every gun capable of it. Like I said before, I am by no means a scenario guy and have only attended a handful of them but I do read all the info about them as I come across posts. I am sure some events are regulated more than others.

And the whole "blame the tourney guys for wiping-cheating-ramping" has to stop because:
1-first and foremost we are not the only ones that do it, everyone has idiots in their type of paintball that do this.
2-just because someone at your local tourney has done it or some pros do it DOES NOT mean everyone does.

I absolutely hate when solely woodsballers come to my field and say we suck because we shoot so much paint. Yet these same guys go out and hide behind the biggest tree they can find for 20 minutes until the other guys get bored and move and then they paint the forest pink. They call it tactics or strategy, I call it a waste of time and boring. They like it, so I let them be, yet I am suppose to take their crap because I play tourney style ball?! I hear this at every field I go to, and every scenario game I have attended. Some is all in good fun but some people are dead set in believing that tourney style ball requiers no skill. They will not step onto a field with us, yet they say we cannot aim, have no skill, and it requires no talent.

If you dont like it because of the amount of paint being shot fine, just do not say we cannot aim. They game has changed and the amount of paint needed to stop people is higher. Or you could step out with your phantom and gog someone on more than one occasion. Just because you shot out someone with a pump does not make you a magical unicorn sniper and in the mystical world of your mind think your is better than someone elses $1200+ gun. They are tools of the trade, some people like differnt things. Until you can get your squad of 5 rec/woods/scenario people to beat a decent tourney team on an airball field on a consistant basis do not say their is no tactics or skill involved. Different style of play does not mean that style is wrong, if it is not you then by all means dont like it. Just remember you do not like someone ragging on your (in a serious way) style so dont rag on theirs. I know tourney people are made up of a lot of immature little kids, mainly at local levels, but please do not think everyone is like that.

I call for a truce between everyone, before I emotionally breakdown at field from being shot in the face by a noob woodsballing scenario guy using a pump on co2 catridges

[Tunaman]

I challenged this board on the hypocrisy found on it by some people awhile back and was told it didn't exist. Bounce and run away are cool, Predator / Morlocked E-mags and Devilmags are great, hybrid mode is just awesome. But controlled ramping is "cheating" and apparently those who use / promote / or accept it, even within the confines of the rules, are idiots. At least thats the opinion I get from some fraction of these boards.

I agree. What ever happened to one shot one pull? Anything more is cheating in my book...

[phantomhitman]

I agree. What ever happened to one shot one pull? Anything more is cheating in my book...

there we go, a clean cut answer that everyone can hopefuly agree on.

[Tunaman]

*ahem*

IT'S NOT CHEATING, IT IS A WIDELY ACCEPTED MODE OF FIRE IN MANY TOURNAMENTS AND TOURNAMENT SERIES.

It's only cheating if you're not allowed to do it. PERIOD.

Doesn't mean I really like it. But at least it's not dangerous. You want to talk about dangerous, put a mag on runaway or a semi timmy in uberbounce mode. THAT'S cheating.

These statements are pure hypocrisy. A bouncing mechanical mag is cheating in the same terms as software running electros? You have got to be kidding me. Widely accepted? Not dangerous? Kinda like this ?

[phantomhitman]

These statements are pure hypocrisy. A bouncing mechanical mag is cheating in the same terms as software running electros? You have got to be kidding me. Widely accepted? Not dangerous? Kinda like this ?

ppssttttt tuna, that was not done by a ramping gun (See even Tuna jumped the gun on this one. We get blamed for everything).

Also, I think he is talking about mech mag bounce (no controlled rate of bps) as compared to a mode of fire used by at least 3 big tourney series. AO in general has a clear cut line between old school people and new style people with very few in between that dont give a dang. You mention an emarker besides agds and everyone brings up bouncing, ramping, and tourney style play which leads to saying how tourney players cheat, wipe, and kill little babies. However you show a video of a bouncy mag and everyone jumps onto the speed bandwagon and says how cool it is.

[NewMagMan21]

sadly I believe he speaks the truth...

[Lohman446]

These statements are pure hypocrisy. A bouncing mechanical mag is cheating in the same terms as software running electros? You have got to be kidding me. Widely accepted? Not dangerous? Kinda like this ?

A ramping marker using good software (and some of the software is not good by these terms) quits firing the moment you quit pulling the trigger, and does not engage ramping early - before three shots (I would rather see it six shots but...). When dealing with bounce, be it mechanical or switch noise induced such as a Timmy you do not have this same amount of control.

That being said, why do we beleive it safe? Because nothing has happened yet? The only scientific tests that I am aware of (ASTM) forbid anything but semi-auto and pump for a reason. May this be conservative? Sure, most definetly. However, until I see scientific testing that I could use to defend myself in a legal situation, I am going to continue to accept that I need to follow ASTM guidelines.

For those of you who beleive that firepower = winning in tournaments. I was at a tournament this weekend, the last day of a monthly league that they asked us to fill in at for a team that could not make it. 3 man, 8 games, my team went through a total of less than two cases of paint (I think I used 400 rounds or so), and we did fine.

[ZEROte]

A ramping marker using good software (and some of the software is not good by these terms) quits firing the moment you quit pulling the trigger, and does not engage ramping early - before three shots (I would rather see it six shots but...). When dealing with bounce, be it mechanical or switch noise induced such as a Timmy you do not have this same amount of control.

That being said, why do we beleive it safe? Because nothing has happened yet? The only scientific tests that I am aware of (ASTM) forbid anything but semi-auto and pump for a reason. May this be conservative? Sure, most definetly. However, until I see scientific testing that I could use to defend myself in a legal situation, I am going to continue to accept that I need to follow ASTM guidelines.

For those of you who beleive that firepower = winning in tournaments. I was at a tournament this weekend, the last day of a monthly league that they asked us to fill in at for a team that could not make it. 3 man, 8 games, my team went through a total of less than two cases of paint (I think I used 400 rounds or so), and we did fine.

define fine. because fine for you could be you came in 25th overall. but fine for me is nothing less than 6th of 30.

[Lohman446]

define fine. because fine for you could be you came in 25th overall. but fine for me is nothing less than 6th of 30.

Fine for me is being competetive in nearly every game, not being rolled over time after time - first in this particular instance, though there were only 8 teams present.

[FSU_Paintball]

Fine does not equal winning... and 25th out of how many teams?

I'd like to know how much paint the teams that made finals, and the team that won shot.

[Lohman446]

Fine does not equal winning... and 25th out of how many teams?

I'd like to know how much paint the teams that made finals, and the team that won shot.

The team that won shot 2 cases

[FSU_Paintball]

Well then I'm impressed, but also curious to know about the skill level of the tourney, which unfortunately is a very subjective measurement

I've won on very few cases of paint as a team but not at tourneys where I played lots of games against GOOD teams. I agree that accuracy is important, but I think volume with it is a better strategy... if you control the lanes of the field, you control the movement of the field, and any team worth its salt won't be hiding behind their bunkers if you don't have a line of paint coming at them.

[Lohman446]

Well then I'm impressed, but also curious to know about the skill level of the tourney, which unfortunately is a very subjective measurement

Its hard to even make it a qualitative way of telling you. The teams we played were not the top 20% I have ever played, nor were they the bottom 20%. We got a few lucky lucky breaks throughout the day, minimized errors on our part, and used the field layout to our advantage. When I say lucky - I was shot out once over the entire day