Penalties in paintball and intent

[Lohman446]

this is coming from a old fashioned perspective here possibly and may seem crazy to some folks, but...

what happened to knowing the rules and playing by them? Where did the idea come from that we as players, shouldn't have to worry about playing by the rules...it's the ref's job to enforce the rules, and if they don't catch it then no foul was made. To try and say that we shouldn't have to call ourselves out if a ref doesn't call it for us is silly. That to me is a real irresponsible way to look at a game or at life.

Someone hit on this earlier, the skill factor. if your hit you failed at the skill factor and essentially "lose" and imo should call yerself out. i see so many people talk about "well, it didnt break"...should it even matter if the ball breaks or not? this isnt a water balloon throwing contest, its taking people out with a "firearm" with safe ammunition. If someone hits you, they beat you. it doesnt matter if it bounces/breaks, they marked you and yer out and should call yerself as such.

anyways....thats just my opinion, take it as you may

cheerz

Yeh.. and then my team would strangle me. I have an obligation to them to when I play.

[trains are bad]

Where did the idea come from that we as players, shouldn't have to worry about playing by the rules...it's the ref's job to enforce the rules, and if they don't catch it then no foul was made.

probably common sense.

Do you consider paintball a game or a sport? If you consider it a game and play for fun then go right ahead.

Many many more people want paintball to be a competitive sport, where the point is to win, to beat the other teams. The only practical, realistic, and indeed, fair system for sports is to have the rules enforced by neutral refs.

I shoudn't even have to say this, but sanctioning your own team is not a smart way to beat the other team, and players should in no way be responsible for enforcing the rules of the game, as they are necessarily biased.

[Kwaidd]

im not saying that the players should make rules and/or enforce them. im not saying there shouldnt be refs. what i am saying is that if yer out yer out...and its sad that some people need a ref to say it b4 they heed it. we know when we are out.

also, i know the "rules" say it needs to be a certain diameter amount of paint to be called out...but thats to show that yes it's a hit and not splatter. however, the point of the game isnt to attach a certain amount of paint to an opposing team members jersey, its to hit the person with the flying object...the paint is just intended to visibly mark the person as being out. unfortunately, paint doesnt always break, but that doesnt mean the person that shot you shouldnt get you out. thats all im saying.

yes refs are great and are needed to keep the game moving at a fast pace with less confusion. but that doesnt mean we as he players shouldnt be able to stand up and play it as straight up as we can and know how.

/salute

-kw

[Lohman446]

im not saying that the players should make rules and/or enforce them. im not saying there shouldnt be refs. what i am saying is that if yer out yer out...and its sad that some people need a ref to say it b4 they heed it. we know when we are out.

also, i know the "rules" say it needs to be a certain diameter amount of paint to be called out...but thats to show that yes it's a hit and not splatter. however, the point of the game isnt to attach a certain amount of paint to an opposing team members jersey, its to hit the person with the flying object...the paint is just intended to visibly mark the person as being out. unfortunately, paint doesnt always break, but that doesnt mean the person that shot you shouldnt get you out. thats all im saying.

yes refs are great and are needed to keep the game moving at a fast pace with less confusion. but that doesnt mean we as he players shouldnt be able to stand up and play it as straight up as we can and know how.

/salute

-kw

THe purpose of the game is to hang the flag, generally through the elimination of the other players. Elimination is gained by leaving a certain size mark on them. To play by other rules is fine, as logn as everyone else is playing by them.

[FallNAngel]

we know when we are out.

Actually, no we always don't. Ever get hit on the pack? What if you're unsure whether a mark qualifies for elimination size or not?

however, the point of the game isnt to attach a certain amount of paint to an opposing team members jersey, its to hit the person with the flying object...the paint is just intended to visibly mark the person as being out.

Yes, the paint is intended to mark the person out... hence, if there's no paint, they're not marked out. It *CLEARLY* states in the rules that eliminations are determined by a specific size mark of paint (I believe the size of a dime... or a quarter.. can't remember which). It does *NOT* say "If you're hit with a paintball, whether it breaks or not, you're out. The paint is there only for festive decoration"

unfortunately, paint doesnt always break, but that doesnt mean the person that shot you shouldnt get you out. thats all im saying.

Actually, yes it does. If that's all you're saying, perhaps you should switch games to airsoft. In paintball, the paint *MUST* break. Period. Expecting anyone to not play how the rules are written is just asking for more confusion.

[trains are bad]

Right. On top of expecting players to call penalties on themselves, and giving players breaks depending on whether they meant to break the rules or not (thought crime), you also have people that reference some kind of special unspoken paintball code.

There is no such code. There is no honor. Nobody wants to be dependent on the honor of the opposing team. There is the rules. Read them, assuming they exist. And play by them.

That is all.

If you don't have rules, you don't have a sport. And if you have no way to enforce rule violations, you don't have rules.

Which is why paintball as a competitive sport is a joke.

[onedude36]

Right. All those in favor of taking money out of the prizes and or higher entry fee to hire more/better refs.

*raises hand*

[SlartyBartFast]

It *CLEARLY* states in the rules that eliminations are determined by a specific size mark of paint (I believe the size of a dime... or a quarter.. can't remember which).

On top of expecting players to call penalties on themselves

and giving players breaks depending on whether they meant to break the rules or not (thought crime)

Which is I think the near unanimous conclusion in all these threads. Rules must be written, interpreted, and enforced in Black and white terms.

There is no such code. There is no honor. Nobody wants to be dependent on the honor of the opposing team. There is the rules. Read them, assuming they exist. And play by them.

[SlartyBartFast]

Right. All those in favor of taking money out of the prizes and or higher entry fee to hire more/better refs.

*raises hand*

You're not the first one to come to that conclusion.